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    Live video feed of them trying to top kill

    http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_inte...ov_stream.html

    you can see them using the robotic arms right now

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    Too bad Barry did not tell them to "Plug the damn hole" a month ago.

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100526/...gulf_oil_spill



    Man, oh man BP, Transocean, and Haliburton are going to be taken to the woodshed.

    Seems like the case for negligence is getting a bit stronger with each passing bit that comes out.

    Damage cap, smamage cap. I heard a sniglet on NPR from a firm that helps corps handle crisis that said that 11 of 12 CEOs in major crises like this were ousted.

    Anybody care to bet that the CEO will hang on? I would love to bet against that. Maybe a vbookie on it? heh.
    Come on! That witness is not to be believed over the representations of the corporation. Any objective and open-minded thinker who demands context before believing anything that is contrary to his fundamental belief in the primacy of corporate existence would know that.

    I'm still not willing to rule out terrorism, acts of God, or inevitability as the real causes of the spill. I refuse to believe that BP could be at all culpable for this minor problem until every other possibility has been ruled out.

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    Live feed if anyone is interested. Still cranking out oil.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_590635.html

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    Live feed if anyone is interested. Still cranking out oil.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_590635.html
    Tell us all how Obama could stop it with a flick of his wrist.

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    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...tory?track=rss



    Reporting from Houma, La.Engineers have succeeded in stopping the flow of oil and gas into the Gulf of Mexico from a gushing BP well, the federal government's top oil spill commander, Adm. Thad Allen, said Thursday morning.

    The so-called "top kill" effort, launched Wednesday afternoon by industry and government engineers in Houston, has pumped enough drilling fluid to block all oil and gas from the well, Allen said. The pressure from the well is very low, but persistent, he said.

    Once engineers have reduced the well pressure to zero, they will begin to pump cement into the hole to entomb the well. To help that effort, he said, engineers are also pumping some debris into the blowout preventer at the top of the well.


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    Allen said one ship that was pumping fluid into the well has run out of the fluid, or "mud," and that a second ship is on the way. He said he was encouraged by the progress.

    "We'll get this under control," he said.

    Allen also said that later today, an interagency team will release a revised estimate of how much oil was flowing from the well into the Gulf. The Coast Guard has estimated the flow at 5,000 barrels a day, but independent estimates suggest it is much higher -- perhaps tens of thousands of barrels a day.

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    Tell us all how Obama could stop it with a flick of his wrist.
    You're witnessing it.

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    Tell us all how Obama could stop it with a flick of his wrist.
    So you too, are a tool for the demonrats.

    It happened on his watch. If it happened under president Bush's watch, what would you be saying?

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    So you too, are a tool for the demonrats.

    It happened on his watch. If it happened under president Bush's watch, what would you be saying?

    That Bush hates black people.

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    So you too, are a tool for the demonrats.
    How do you expect anybody to take you seriously when you resort to saying dumb like this? It's like when boutons says "Rethugs"... all it does is betray the fact that you make all your arguments along party lines and demonize (literally, in this case) your opponents.

    If you have a point, make it, and spare us the lame puns.

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    I haven't taken WC or JackAss seriously for years. I read them for laughs.

    Magic Negro's MMS lady got canned. dubya would have never canned anybody in MMS.

    The Repug/conservative strategy is to sow hate for all govts, and destroy govts wherever they can, except when govt is tranferring taxpayers wealth to conservatives and conservative causes and corps.

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    So you too, are a tool for the demonrats.

    It happened on his watch. If it happened under president Bush's watch, what would you be saying?
    you're just a tool

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    So you too, are a tool for the demonrats.

    It happened on his watch. If it happened under president Bush's watch, what would you be saying?
    I would be saying that the federal government is generally not in the business of drilling/capping wells, and should defer to the judgment of people who are in that business when it comes to the best approach, which is pretty much what happened here.

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    I haven't taken WC or JackAss seriously for years. I read them for laughs.

    Magic Negro's MMS lady got canned
    Right back at you.

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    To say this is Obama's fault or that he hasn't done enough is pretty laughable. To compare this to the response to Katrina is downright ridiculous. Mike Brown anyone? Mike ing Brown!!!!

    In any event, I DO think this is a great reason to show just how stupid Obama was with his offshore drilling policy and if he loses support for this then good. You should lose support when you make stupid policy and then within a few weeks you have a huge example for the American public to see just why your policy is so god damn stupid.

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    I haven't taken WC or JackAss seriously for years. I read them for laughs.

    Magic Negro's MMS lady got canned. dubya would have never canned anybody in MMS.

    The Repug/conservative strategy is to sow hate for all govts, and destroy govts wherever they can, except when govt is tranferring taxpayers wealth to conservatives and conservative causes and corps.
    The real problem is the culture of deregulation that was brought to new heights under the Bush adminstration.

    Conscientious government oversight was viewed as the Ultimate Evil by the Bush administration, so a very "hands off" approach was taken by just about every goverment agency charged with overseeing any aspect of business.

    Cut back on FDA inspections and you get tainted milk products. (btw that "taint" was likely in the form of cow urine in the milk)

    Cut back on SEC oversight of the "innovators" in the financial sector and you get credit default swaps and the recent, near-catastrophic meltdown.

    Cut back on mine safety oversight, and you get people killed in easily preventable mine accidents.

    Cut back on oversight of offshore drilling and you get people killed in a preventable explosion and a massive oilspill.

    Sur- ing-prise, the chickens have come home to roost.

    The GOP response to this is to turn the logical conclusion on its ear, and attempt to say that any government oversight at all is the problem, when the real culprit is the LACK of oversight. When the brake system on your car fails because of a corroded brake line, you don't say "well the problem is that we have braking systems on cars", you say "fix the brake system".

    It is time to get government back to being the referee that the free market system needs, and not some on-the-court spectatator.

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    To say this is Obama's fault or that he hasn't done enough is pretty laughable. To compare this to the response to Katrina is downright ridiculous. Mike Brown anyone? Mike ing Brown!!!!

    In any event, I DO think this is a great reason to show just how stupid Obama was with his offshore drilling policy and if he loses support for this then good. You should lose support when you make stupid policy and then within a few weeks you have a huge example for the American public to see just why your policy is so god damn stupid.
    I agree, it's not president Obama's fault. I do find it so funny, the responses from the Peanut Gallery to my asking what would be said if it happened under President Bush's watch. I thi8nk anyone with intelligence would agree that the MSM's and liberals would "blame Bush."

    Rememberv people...

    I didn't blame president Obama, I only asked what the response would be if it happened under president Bush's watch.

    Wow... Some of you really proved yourselves as lib s!

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    I think Obama should have put a wet suit one and dived down to thw well and turned it off..

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    COVINGTON, La. - Marine scientists from the University of South Florida have discovered a massive new plume of what they believe to be oil deep beneath the Gulf of Mexico, stretching 22 miles from the leaking wellhead northeast toward Mobile Bay, Alabama.
    The discovery by researchers on the College of Marine Science's Weatherbird II vessel is the second significant undersea plume recorded since the Deepwater Horizon exploded on April 20.
    The thick plume was detected just beneath the surface down to about 3,300 feet, and is more than 6 miles wide, said David Hollander, associate professor of chemical oceanography at USF.
    Hollander said the team detected the thickest amount of hydrocarbons, likely from the oil spewing from the blown out well, at about 1,300 feet in the same spot on two separate days this week.
    The discovery was important, he said, because it confirmed that the substance found in the water was not naturally occurring and that the plume was at its highest concentration in deeper waters. The researchers will use further testing to determine whether the hydrocarbons they found are the result of dispersants or the emulsification of oil as it traveled away from the well.
    The first such plume detected by scientists stretched from the well southwest toward the open sea, but this new undersea oil cloud is headed miles inland into shallower waters where many fish and other species reproduce.
    The researchers say they are worried these undersea plumes may are the result of the unprecedented use of chemical dispersants to break up the oil a mile undersea at the site of the leak.
    Hollander said the oil they detected has dissolved into the water, and is no longer visible, leading to fears from researchers that the toxicity from the oil and dispersants could pose a big danger to fish larvae and filter feeders such as sperm whales.
    "There are two elements to it," Hollander said. "The plume reaching waters on the continental shelf could have a toxic effect on fish larvae, and we also may see a long term response as it cascades up the food web."
    An untested procedure to plug the blown-out oil well in the Gulf seemed to be working, officials said Thursday, but new estimates from scientists showed the spill has already surpassed the Exxon Valdez as the worst in U.S. history.
    A team of scientists trying to determine how much oil has been flowing since the offshore rig exploded found the rate was more than twice and possibly up to five times as high as previously thought.
    The fallout from the spill has stretched all the way to Washington, where the head of the federal agency that oversees offshore drilling resigned under pressure Thursday.
    Even using the most conservative estimate, the new numbers mean the leak has grown to nearly 19 million gallons over the past five weeks, surpassing the size of the 1989 Exxon Valdez disaster in Alaska, which at about 11 million gallons had been the nation's worst spill. Under the highest Gulf spill estimate, nearly 39 million gallons may have leaked, enough to fill 30 school gymnasiums.
    "Now we know the true scale of the monster we are fighting in the Gulf," said Jeremy Symons, vice president of the National Wildlife Federation. "BP has unleashed an unstoppable force of appalling proportions."
    BP did not immediately comment on the new estimate.
    U.S. Geological Survey Director Marcia McNutt said two different teams of scientists calculated that the well has been spewing between 504,000 and more than a million gallons a day.
    BP and the Coast Guard estimated soon after the explosion that about 210,000 gallons a day was leaking, but scientists who watched underwater video of well had been saying for weeks it was probably more.
    Last week, BP inserted a mile-long tube to siphon some of the oil into a tanker. It sucked up 924,000 gallons, but engineers had to dismantle it so they could start the risky procedure known as a top kill to try to cut off the flow altogether by shooting heavy drilling fluid into the well.
    If that works, BP will inject cement into the well to seal it. The top kill has been used above ground but has never been tried 5,000 feet beneath the sea. BP pegged its chance of success at 60 to 70 percent.
    Lt. Commander Tony Russell, an aide to Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, said Thursday the mud was stopping some oil and gas but had a ways to go before it proved successful. The top kill started Wednesday night and it could be several days before officials know if it is working.
    "As you inject your mud into it, it is going to stop some hydrocarbons," Russell said. "That doesn't mean it's successful."
    BP spokesman Tom Mueller also discounted news reports that the top kill had worked.
    "We appreciate the optimism, but the top kill operation is continuing through the day today - that hasn't changed," he said Thursday morning. "We don't anticipate being able to say anything definitive on that until later today."
    In Washington, meanwhile, Minerals Management Service Director Elizabeth Birnbaum stepped down just hours before a planned White House press conference where President Barack Obama was expected to extend a moratorium on new deepwater oil drilling.
    Birnbaum and her agency came under withering criticism from lawmakers of both parties over lax oversight of drilling and cozy ties with industry. An internal Interior Department report released earlier this week found that between 2000 and 2008, agency staff members accepted tickets to sports events, lunches and other gifts from oil and gas companies and used government computers to view pornography. Birnbaum had run the service since July 2009.
    After receiving the results of a 30-day safety review from Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, Obama also planned to delay controversial lease sales off the coast of Alaska and cancel entirely plans for drilling lease sales in the Western Gulf and off the coast of Virginia, according to a White House aide.
    Polls show the public is souring on the administration's handling of the catastrophe, and fishermen, hotel and restaurant owners, politicians and residents along the 100-mile stretch of Gulf coast affected by the spill are fed up with BP's failures to stop the spill. Thick oil is coating birds and delicate wetlands along the Louisiana coast.
    "I have anxiety attacks," said Sarah Rigaud, owner of Sarah's Restaurant in Grand Isle, La., where the public beach was closed because blobs of oil that looked like melted chocolate had washed up on shore. "Every day I pray that something happens, that it will be stopped and everybody can get back to normal."
    Seven cleanup crew members who reported dizziness, severe headaches and nausea while working in boats off the Louisiana coast remained hospitalized Thursday. The Coast Guard pulled commercial fishing boats from cleanup efforts in Breton Sound on Wednesday after workers first reported feeling sick.
    If the top kill fails, BP says it has several backup plans, including sealing the well's blowout preventer with a smaller cap, which would contain the oil. An earlier attempt to cap the blowout preventer failed. BP could also try a "junk shot" - shooting golf balls and other debris into the blowout preventer to clog it up - during the top kill process.
    The only permanent solution is drilling a second well, but that will take a couple of months. BP plans to go ahead with that even if the top kill works.
    Though the spill is now the biggest in U.S. history, it's not the biggest ever in the Gulf. An offshore drilling rig in Mexican waters - the Ixtoc I - blew up in June 1979, releasing 140 million gallons of oil.


    http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/may...news-breaking/

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    It only matters if it makes landfall before the bio nature of the ocean metabolizes it.

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    Maybe we should all be drunk right now to appreciate the quality of your brilliant analysis.

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    Maybe we should all be drunk right now to appreciate the quality of your brilliant analysis.
    LOL...

    Right now, I will 2nd that opinion.

    I don't do this very often, so be astute to the differences my opinion may be.

    Believe it or not, I like to be schooled in my failings.

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    WTF is "bio nature"?

    Not only do you think all your thoughts are self-verifying just because they're your thoughts, but same goes for your vocab.

    continuously drunk on your own self-regard

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    So you too, are a tool for the demonrats.

    It happened on his watch. If it happened under president Bush's watch, what would you be saying?


    It happened on BP's watch in International Waters......are you all brain dead or something

    that ing Drill Here/Drill Now, Corporate Lobbyist/Frank Lutz Party(GOP) is trying to blame Obama.

    ...........are you ing kidding.

    BP ed up and the President is telling them to clean the er up, what is he supposed to do?


    I think Obama should get into one of those little subs and try and plug the hole with his bare hands.

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