Manu Ginobli supports gay marriage

[spursncowboys]

Go create another sarcastic thread so you can get your ass kicked by everyone again, little boy.

How did my butt get kicked?
Who is everyone?
Did you figure it out yet?

[baseline bum]

How did my butt get kicked?

Pretty Decisively. It was ugly.

[spursncowboys]

So did the Taliban kill people for opening their doors?

[DMX7]

The number of closet sexual GOP congressmen is astonishing.

The degree to which they psychologically project probably has something to do with the GOP's hatred for openly gay people.

[spursncowboys]

link

[K-State Spur]

I've heard that Tim Duncan advocates eating shrimp - I expect the same amount of outrage by some of the bible thumpers regarding this point.

[admiralsnackbar]

I've heard that Tim Duncan advocates eating shrimp - I expect the same amount of outrage by some of the bible thumpers regarding this point.

And Alvin Robertson advocates keeping slaves... surely a good fundamentalist can defend that... right?

[urunobili]

link

http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/20...-gay-marriage/

[Blackjack]

Dear RC, do the Spurs share Manu Ginobili's "values" supporting sodomite "marriages", and against God's laws on marriage?

If that is the case, then it's time Christians took action against the Spurs organization.

Yes, and have at it.

I love the ones that don't take much thought, time or energy.

[beachwood]

(... Some sexuals will swear they were never sexually abused, but they have no way of knowing for sure.)

Wow.

Going by this argument, this also means that you could have been sexually abused as well huh? You can't prove that you weren't.

In fact, you may be sexual and even if you're married with kids, that in and of itself doesn't prove you're not gay.

[Muser]

9 pages of the same stuff back and forth, wow.

[beachwood]

Actually, believing all gay people are "born gay" is very naive. A majority of the gay community use the "we were born this way" claim as their rallying cry to get people to empathize with them, as if it's the same as a birth defect or something.

Case in point:
MY parents have been long time friends with a gay female couple who were very successful business women in Austin, TX. Both of them, admittedly, did not take up the lesbian lifestyle until they were in their early 20's when the "realized they were gay." Before that point, the general public would consider them heterosexuals, as they either dated or were attracted to boys during their teen years

One of them was obviously the butch one (into fast cars, sports, electronics, didn't date much in HS because of her masculine tomboy features) and the other was the typical girl (dated men, into make up, clothes, etc). They were in a realtionship for nearly 10 years. When the more feminine one decided she wanted a kid, they used artificial insemination to get her pregnant and had a little girl together.

Fast forward 14 years... they have since split up. The masculine one was more interested in her cars and making money than settling down and raising a daughter, so she left the other one with the 3 year old daughter. The feminine one decided (or chose) that she wasn't gay anymore, had 2 relationships with men before finally marrying a 3rd guy, who she is still married to. The daughter (14 now and a god child to my parents) is a normal 14 year old girl who likes boys, name brand clothes, cell phones, etc. The more butch one is no longer a part of their lives.

When the feminine one went through the break up with her lesbian friend and eventually decided she wasn't gay anymore, my mother was the one she would come to for advice. After years of going with the gay anthem of "we can't help it, we were born this way" she admitted to my mother that she, in fact, CHOSE the gay lifestyle because she didn't like the way men treated her in the late 70's, and she felt women understood her more. Now after finding a good man, she realizes she's not gay anymore.

Here's the kicker: She never went on any medication for chemical imbalances in her brain that caused her to override her supposed "born gay" genes, she just decided, on her own to be heterosexual again and now lives a perfectly normal heterosexual married life.

Kinda sounds like your parent's friend wasn't really gay, but rather was experimenting and living in denial / suffered from psychological abuse by former male partner. Your story does nothing to disprove that gay people are born gay.

[beachwood]

What studies?
Sexual condition is based on your chilhood psycology. The human structure is defined from 0 to 6 years old. In that time you wheter identife with boys or girls.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm

http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...815538,00.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7791888/

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...osite-sex.html

[senorglory]

When Same-Sex Marriage Was A Christian Rite by Jinxi
http://www.jinxiboo.com/blog/2009/5/...tian-rite.html

Quoted in part:

[T]hat in addition to heterosexual marriage ceremonies in ancient Christian church liturgical do ents, there were also ceremonies called the "Office of Same-Sex Union" (10th and 11th century), and the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).

These church rites had all the symbols of a heterosexual marriage: the whole community gathered in a church, a blessing of the couple before the altar was conducted with their right hands joined, holy vows were exchanged, a priest officiatied in the taking of the Eucharist and a wedding feast for the guests was celebrated afterwards. These elements all appear in contemporary illustrations of the holy union of the Byzantine Warrior-Emperor, Basil the First (867-886 CE) and his companion John.

Such same gender Christian sanctified unions also took place in Ireland in the late 12thand/ early 13th century, as the chronicler Gerald of Wales (‘Geraldus Cambrensis’) recorded.

Same-sex unions in pre-modern Europe list in great detail some same gender ceremonies found in ancient church liturgical do ents. One Greek 13th century rite, "Order for Solemn Same-Sex Union", invoked St. Serge and St. Bacchus, and called on God to "vouchsafe unto these, Thy servants [N and N], the grace to love one another and to abide without hate and not be the cause of scandal all the days of their lives, with the help of the Holy Mother of God, and all Thy saints". The ceremony concludes: "And they shall kiss the Holy Gospel and each other, and it shall be concluded".

Another 14th century Serbian Slavonic "Office of the Same Sex Union", uniting two men or two women, had the couple lay their right hands on the Gospel while having a crucifix placed in their left hands. After kissing the Gospel, the couple were then required to kiss each other, after which the priest, having raised up the Eucharist, would give them both communion.

Records of Christian same sex unions have been discovered in such diverse archives as those in the Vatican, in St. Petersburg, in Paris, in Istanbul and in the Sinai, covering a thousand-years from the 8th to the 18th century.

[LnGrrrR]

I would say that one isn't born gay or straight, but born with tendencies towards gay or straight that are usually locked in by puberty. However, I would argue that one can't just change their sexuality on a whim; if sexuality does change, it is an subconscious change, and not realized until the change is nearly complete.

(ie. I can say "I'm going to pick up this egg" and then, pick it up. I can not say "I'm going to become gay" and then become so.)