D-Will to the Nets

[crc21209]

I don't really see how Howard would end up in NY..he'll probably be a Laker..

Being the little pussy he is you're probably right....

[Killakobe81]

So what you're saying is D-Will can only "make guys better" when they're already good . Why is it Al Jefferson has a career low FG% this year if D-Will is so great and can create open shots for anyone?

I am not saying that KO, just saying that is akin to saying shaq missed his only playoffs (IIRC) playing with steve Nash. So Nash didnt make Shaq better either.
Shaq missing the playoffs had more to do with his decline and his effect on the suns system then it did Nash's ability as a PG.

On a related note amare is having an even better year without Nash so how freaking valuable is he? He is a two time MVP. Amare had Felton this year who is only a borderline all-star ...and is having a career year.

Your analogy is a "slippery slope" ...

[Kyle Orton]

I am not saying that KO, just saying that is akin to saying shaq missed his only playoffs (IIRC) playing with steve Nash. So Nash didnt make Shaq better either.
Shaq missing the playoffs had more to do with his decline and his effect on the suns system then it did Nash's ability as a PG.

no it had something to do with his decline. The Suns missed the playoffs in 2009 because Nash quit and also refused to give Shaq the ball at times. The relationship between Nash and Shaq adds more evidence to my theory about how one-dimensional volume assist PGs are.

[Venti Quattro]

this. kg doesnt run from anything as far as im aware.

[Killakobe81]

no it had something to do with his decline. The Suns missed the playoffs in 2009 because Nash quit and also refused to give Shaq the ball at times. The relationship between Nash and Shaq adds more evidence to my theory about how one-dimensional volume assist PGs are.

Nash had an off year ...but quit? not saying your theory on ball dominant PG's doesnt have merit ... but Nash is having one of his better seasons despite no amare or Jrich off a team that went to WCF ...

funny thing is they are deeper at true center then any of the really good Suns teams ...but because they have downgraded at SG and PF their team is doing worse despite great seasons (relative) from Nash and Hill ...

[Kyle Orton]

Nash had an off year ...but quit? not saying your theory on ball dominant PG's doesnt have merit ... but Nash is having one of his better seasons despite no amare or Jrich off a team that went to WCF ...

I'm talking about the year they had Shaq. Nash quit. He got Porter fired, had a few good games with Gentry, then quit because he wanted them to miss the playoffs and get Shaq traded. That's how it works in Phoenix, Nash's way or the highway, which is why I harbor some blame towards him for them not resigning Amare. If he went to Sarver and said, "Offer Amare the contract he wants or I'm demanding a trade", Amare is still on the Suns.

[Killakobe81]

I'm talking about the year they had Shaq. Nash quit. He got Porter fired, had a few good games with Gentry, then quit because he wanted them to miss the playoffs and get Shaq traded. That's how it works in Phoenix, Nash's way or the highway, which is why I harbor some blame towards him for them not resigning Amare. If he went to Sarver and said, "Offer Amare the contract he wants or I'm demanding a trade", Amare is still on the Suns.

Kobe could of done the same for Shaq ...
Penny could of as well ...

Not saying you can't blame Nash but Marion and Joe J also wanted out of Phoenix so I blame the Front office more ...

and yes i know you meant that year but similar to Dwill tough for a great PG to lose his best weapons ...I dont blame Nash for being frustrated Shaq to the celts is the first move for Shaq since miami that made any sense. Poor fit on the Suns and Cavs ...not Nash or lebron's fault ...it's the GM's ...

Nash has been losing star team-mates since he got there ...and selling draft picks for cash ...

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Why do this NOW? Dumbass move. They could have shifted him in the off-season or any time next year if they're worried about him leaving for nothing. Really stupid move.

[Kyle Orton]

Kobe could of done the same for Shaq ...
Penny could of as well ...

Not saying you can't blame Nash but Marion and Joe J also wanted out of Phoenix so I blame the Front office more ...

and yes i know you meant that year but similar to Dwill tough for a great PG to lose his best weapons ...I dont blame Nash for being frustrated Shaq to the celts is the first move for Shaq since miami that made any sense. Poor fit on the Suns and Cavs ...not Nash or lebron's fault ...it's the GM's ...

Nash has been losing star team-mates since he got there ...and selling draft picks for cash ...

It's not Nash's fault, it's just evidence that volume assist PGs are just as guilty of being unable to co-exist with other stars as anyone else.

The thing no one seems to get is Amare didn't want out. The Knicks offered him 5 years $99,000,000, he went back to the Suns and told them they could keep him at 5 years $92,000,000 (which was an incredibly fair stance for him to take). All Nash needed to do was say, "I'm as good as gone if you don't give Amare the money he wants and has earned" and Sarver wouldn't have let Amare leave.

[Donkeybong]

Anyone here anything about Deron being living about the trade and refusing to board the plane heading to New Jersey?

[TD 21]

I'm late to this and will probably just end up echoing previously said sentiments, but . . . what a shocker! You don't see that very often in this day and age, where virtually everything get's out beforehand.

The Jazz did very well to get a PG who, at his best, is a cut below All-Star caliber, is on an affordable contract for a few more seasons and is either just entering or in the early stages of his prime. Favors is a blue chipper, just a cut below an elite level prospect and the two picks figure to be quality ones. Whether they can walk away with quality out of them, obviously it remains to be seen.

This trade was so good for the Jazz, that they might have done it even if they felt Williams were more likely to stay than not. At the very least, I think they'd have still strongly considered it. Also, like the Nuggets, they're still capable of and I expect them to make the playoffs.

For the Nets, they better hope Williams re-signs. If not, they gave up a lot for basically nothing, since they're not going to be substantially better in the interim. If he does re-sign, then it was worth it, even if Favors fulfills his potential and becomes All-Star caliber. Like Jefferson said, having a PG like Williams makes them a more desirable destination for players, particularly with them having a deep pocket owner willing to spend and with them moving to Brooklyn soon.

Getting Wright helps soften the blow somewhat of giving up Favors. He's not his caliber of prospect and the label prospect is close to being replaced with the label bust, but he gives them a young, athletic PF to take Favors' place.

[sefant77]

[Kyle Orton]

Big Daddy Jefferson scores 30 points on 78% shooting in his first game without D-Will

[LkrFan]

what? How did Kobe chase KG out of the Western Conference?

Psst: KG was a T'Pup for a decade. He was a 2nd round virgin until Sprewell and Sam Cassell showed up. And he never ever beat the Lakers until 2008 with the Celtics. Just saying...

[Kyle Orton]

That doesn't answer how Kobe and the 2007 Lakers scared him out of the West.

[MavDynasty]

Hi Benny

[Kyle Orton]

Hi Timmy

[LnGrrrR]

Big Daddy Jefferson scores 30 points on 78% shooting in his first game without D-Will

instant vindication!

[alamo50]

So Sloan quit for nothing???!?!