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I'm not sure if this holds true for Malone; Stockton was pretty damned good. If Jordan never existed, I don't see how Malone/Stockton don't ring at least once.
1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Wilt
5. Bird
6. Duncan
7. Shaq
8. Hakeem
9. Moses
10. Kobe
Kareem is the only person IMO with a resume and skill/number that can rival MJ. If you add his collegiate (generally regarded as the greatest), you can make an argument for #1.
I'm not sure if this holds true for Malone; Stockton was pretty damned good. If Jordan never existed, I don't see how Malone/Stockton don't ring at least once.
I'm not a Karl Malone hater, at all, I think he has become fairly underrated with time..
However, Utah won against an extremely weak Western Conference..arguably the weakest Western Conference in NBA history, even weaker than the West that the Lakers have went through, prior to this season..
Karl Malone was known to regress in the playoffs, compared to other big-time players, just like a few other key names in the 90s, too..
Don't concur with this at all. The West was much stronger than the East even then. In the 1997 and '98 playoffs the Jazz went up against the Shaq-Kobe Lakers (twice), the Duncan-Robinson Spurs and the Barkley-Drexler-Olajuwon Rockets- and dominated all of them.
The only East opponent Chicago faced in those two years that was comparable to Utah's compe ion was Indiana in the '98 ECF. Miami was a straw dog, Atlanta and Charlotte were a joke.
I thought Utah was BY FAR the second-best team in basketball those two years and would have decisively beaten anyone in the East other than the Bulls.
In 1997, they went up against the Shaq and an 18 year old rookie Kobe, the Spurs were tanking for Duncan that year, and a Rockets team where they were all past their prime w/ Matt Maloney at PG who was raped by John Stockton like no other. The 1997 West was one of the weakest conferences of all time.
Harlem with the bads.
lol "the weakest Western Conference in NBA history"
The Stockton/Malone era Jazz was only one year?
That same postseason Chicago went up against Atlanta and Miami in the ECSF and ECF, neither of which were even on the same planet as those Laker and Rocket teams.
Utah would have all over the Hawks and Heat just as the Bulls did.
Not only wasn't the 1997 West one of the weakest conferences of all time, it wasn't even the weakest conference that season. West > East from the downfall of the Bad Boys on.
The 90s were just bad in terms of overall talent level. The Jazz wouldn't even make the Western conference finals in today's NBA.
Can't argue with that. Three expansions in seven years diluted the talent level big-time.
Let's give the Jazz credit for taking out that Rockets team in the WCF
- Hakeem
- Barkley
- Drexler
My point wasn't to compare the East and the West..
Like DOK said, which is also agreed by most people, the 90s as a whole were weak, especially during the 2nd Bulls 3-peat..
My point is that those were the only 2 years that Karl Malone made the Finals, and it was against very ty compe ion in the West, especially '97..a bunch of teams that were built for the regular season, or teams that weren't ready to make the jump yet..
That's called a red herring... you deflecting his point back at him.Kinda like how you talk about the NFL
You do talk a lot about people you've obviously never watched play the game.
What do you know about Bill Russell? Did you read some Bill Simmons article and feel enlightened about Russell? Did you see someone else give a take on it and take it as the gospel?
Kids these days...
Jordan's Bulls made these teams look weak just as Lance made the other riders look weak. Revisionists love to minimize the greatness of the Bulls by saying the field was weak. It wasn't.
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Magic Johnson
5. Bill Russell
6. Larry Bird
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Tim Duncan
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
Players with 5 championships and multiple Finals MVPs
Jordan
Kareem
Magic
Kobe
dude your so funny
lets look at Kobe's playoff stats in the last 3 years which they went to the Finals
30/6/6
30/5/6
29/6/6
not impactfull?
falselets take a look at kobe's finals fg% for the last 3 finals
32%
33%
40%
its actually
41%
43%
41%
PERfect argument.
lolPERfect argument.
Bird
Jordan
Russell
Kareem
Chamberlain
Magic
Isiah Thomas
Olajuwon
Jim Dunan
Scottie Pippen
The deal with Kobe is that he took more shots than the rest of the team combined (or close). So as Kobe's FG% goes, so goes the team. Fortunately Pau shot 60% and Fish and Odom shot well also.
I've always felt that the Lakers won despite having Kobe, not because of him. There are plenty of chuckers in the league (there were then) who could put up those numbers with that many shots. The impressive thing was how the rest of the team absorbed it.
The Lakers won because of defense, and Kobe is a pretty good defender as well, but his offense isn't nearly as good as he thinks it is. He also doesn't buy into the concept of ball movement and how the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts.
Scottie. Pippen.
Scottie... Pippen...
Really? Really?
Really?
...
Really?
Like, Scottie Pippen, the guy who played with Jordan on those Bulls teams?
You would take Scottie Pippen over Snaq? Really?
Yeah, Snaq without his brute strength was
well, nothing
Overrated POS
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