Spurs: Boris Diaw vs. David Lee

[Raven]

So your argument regarding who's individual's defense is is which player is on a better defensive team. I truly admire the way Spurfan uses arguments that don't have any logical fallacies

well if he wasn't terrible in one or two seasons, that's one or two seasons more than Lee, so yeah, it's an argument.. I mean, it's not a strong argument, but still stronger than considering rebounds or whatever...

[DAF86]

I don't remember Diaw being a great defender on the Suns. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

Here you go:

Defense: Capable of defending almost any position depending on the matchup, and is often forced to due to Phoenix’s limitations with Steve Nash. Has great length and is extremely crafty on this end of the floor. Doesn’t force many turnovers or block many shots. Has the size to defend the post and the quickness to defend the perimeter. Shows good footwork on the defensive end and will get in a good stance on the ball. Seems to put a good effort in on this end of the court. Won’t get many rebounds, tending to look for transition opportunities rather than help out on the glass. Not a dominant presence, but is useful due to the number of positions he can defend.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Boris-Diaw-2220/

[benefactor]

Dont get why the word great is being thrown around. I dont think Ive ever called Diaw a defensive stopper, hes simply not a liability which is more than you can say for Lee.

Ok...I don't remember Diaw even being a good defender on the Suns. So since the whole scenario is situationally hypothetical, one could assume...like Diaw...Lee could at least be as good of a defender if placed on a team where defense is stressed like Diaw was. We already know he's a much better offensive player and rebounder.

[benefactor]

DX can be hit and miss. I'd rather hear it from a fan who watched him over multiple seasons with them.

[DAF86]

DX can be hit and miss. I'd rather hear it from a fan who watched him over multiple seasons with them.

The fact that DoK didn't jump all over your comment to tell that Diaw was an awful defender should tell you something.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The fact that DoK didn't jump all over your comment to tell that Diaw was an awful defender should tell you something.

It should tell you that I was taking a midterm and was kinda busy.

As for Diaw's defense on the Suns, he was a good one on one post defender because he was fat and it's hard to get position on fat people cause they're fat. Outside of that he was pretty worthless.

[mavs>spurs]

where he was likely the 2nd option; something he wouldnt be on a good team

diaw wasn't even good enough to be the second option on the bobcats

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

well if he wasn't terrible in one or two seasons, that's one or two seasons more than Lee, so yeah, it's an argument.. I mean, it's not a strong argument, but still stronger than considering rebounds or whatever...

So the fact he was on a good defensive team automatically means he wasn't a terrible defender? The fact Lee was on a bad defensive team automatically means he's a terrible defender?

This is vintage Spurfan citing things that can't be quantified because Lee has an advantage over Diaw in everything that can be quantified.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Ok...I don't remember Diaw even being a good defender on the Suns.

Btw, FkLA/Raven logic already dictates Diaw was a horrible defender on the Suns. The 2006-2008 Suns were bad defensive teams which automatically means Diaw was a horrible defender during that time span.

[mavs>spurs]

So the fact he was on a good defensive team automatically means he wasn't a terrible defender? The fact Lee was on a bad defensive team automatically means he's a terrible defender?

This is vintage Spurfan citing things that can't be quantified because Lee has an advantage over Diaw in everything that can be quantified.

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[FkLA]

diaw wasn't even good enough to be the second option on the bobcats

I love how mavs>spurs ignores the fact that I conceded long ago that Lee is way better at staying motivated and stat-padding on teams.

[mavs>spurs]

so whenever guys aren't that good on bad teams and then go to a good team and still aren't that good it's becuase they still aren't motivated? lol

[FkLA]

Whats your reason for saying Lee isnt any worse of a defender than Diaw, DoK? He hasnt shown anything in NY or GS to suggest that he could be even an average defender.

[FkLA]

so whenever guys aren't that good on bad teams and then go to a good team and still aren't that good it's becuase they still aren't motivated? lol

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Diaw has been known to be lazy, I doubt he trims down like he did this off-season if he was still in Charlotte. When it comes to putting up stats on bad teams David Lee is better. Who I want as a 4th-5th best player on my team is a different discussion in which I would take Diaw. Drew Gooden, Andrea Bargnani, David Lee, Dejuan Blair, etc these s aint just guys with nice stats.

[mavs>spurs]

why do spurs fans try to pretend like boris diaw is this all-nba defender?

[FkLA]

Why do finance majors try to distort whats being said ?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Whats your reason for saying Lee isnt any worse of a defender than Diaw, DoK? He hasnt shown anything in NY or GS to suggest that he could be even an average defender.

Taller, more athletic, harder worker.

Also the fact that Diaw is a well below average defender, just like Lee is.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Why do finance majors try to distort whats being said ?

Because you're talking out of both ends of your mouth. After describing why you think Diaw is a WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better defender than Lee, you qualify it with, "Don't get me wrong, I still think Diaw isn't a good defender!" to avoid getting called out for being a homer for glorifying Diaw's defense, even though that's exactly what you're doing by pretending Diaw's defense has ever been why you'd take him over another player.

[mavs>spurs]

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[DUNCANownsKOBE]

It's the equivalent of when killakobe81 writes a 5 paragraph diatribe about every reason why Michael Jordan sucks and every reason why Kobe Bryant is good then ends it with, "Don't get me wrong, I'd still take Jordan over Kobe!" because he knows if he doesn't add that qualifier he'll get made fun of for saying Kobe > Jordan.

[mavs>spurs]

between utsa, being mexican, shemale porn, the re ed benefactor arguments, getting owned by elnono, and ty opinions like diaw>lee this guy should just stop posting. it isn't ever going to get any better for you here little homie.

[FkLA]

When did I say Diaw was a waaaaay better defender or imply that Diaw is an all-defense caliber defender? Ive always said hes an average defender, which is still better than Lee. I take Diaw over Lee because of this and other reasons, not solely because of that. If your dumb enough to argue that Diaw is just as bad of a defender as Lee even though he hasnt shown anything to suggest that (your sole reason basically being that he has slightly better physical tools) than theres really no point in this argument though.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The fact you're saying he's an average defender is glorifying his defense.

So how much better is Diaw's defense than Lee's? Be specific (even though your entire argument is based off subjective, unspecific and vague opinions).

[FkLA]

between utsa, being mexican, shemale porn, the re ed benefactor arguments, getting owned by elnono, and ty opinions like diaw>lee this guy should just stop posting. it isn't ever going to get any better for you here little homie.

my bball takes>>>>>>>>>your basketball takes little

The fact you're saying he's an average defender is glorifying his defense.

So how much better is Diaw's defense than Lee's? Be specific (even though your entire argument is based off subjective, unspecific and vague opinions).

Diaw is average, Lee is terrible. How much more specific do you want, you want me to quantify it?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

my bball takes>>>>>>>>>your basketball takes little

Wow, you really showed him! If you used a few more arrows m>s would have probably had to kill himself.