In your honest, non-biased opinion ... who won the Vice Pres. debate tonight?

[LnGrrrR]

1. I think his point was that high unemployment is "how it's going all around America." But, if you want to get into the meat of the matter; add back in all those who have quit looking for work and the unemployment rate is in double digits.

2. Care to cite the specific section of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act that says the death panel "must" include physicians and other health care professionals? I'm not doubting you but, this is a minor point that he could have gotten wrong. The existence of an unelected panel of bureaucrats that will have power over the provision of services as a way of cutting costs is bad enough.

3. If you like your doctor you can keep him. If you like your insurance you can keep it. Your insurance premiums will go down. All of those were declarative statements by the Obama administration. I have no idea whether Ryan's numbers are right or wrong but, I do know those three statements are false.

4. Obama has made a point of traveling the world and diminishing our prestige; whether is is by showing undue deference to other world leaders, claiming the United States is no more exceptional than any other nation, or telling President Medvedev to tell Putin to be patient and that he'd have more flexibility after the election. He has repeated apologized. That's not a lie, that's a characterization of his interaction with other foreign leaders.

5. Catholic organizations, whether they be the church, a hospital, charity, or insurance provider all adhere to the tenets of the Catholic faith and to force them to provide birth control, abortifacients, or abortions is anathema to that faith and a violation of their first amendment rights.

1) Ah, so they should change the way they calculate the numbers to look bad. Makes sense. He said that the unemployment rate is higher in this town, and that's how it is across America. It's a lie. Unemployment isn't a point or more higher across the country.

2) A "minor point he got wrong"? So when Biden is incorrect, he's a liar, but when Ryan is incorrect, it's a minor point he got wrong. Gotcha.

3) You ask me to cite the specific provisions on number 2, but don't provide proof for your assertions for comment 3, then immediately state you haven't bothered looking up the numbers for what Ryan is saying. Interesting debate tactics.

4) Can you find an instance where Obama has explicitly apologized? If you can't, then it's a lie.

5) Except they're not forcing churches to do so, which Ryan said they are. Ryan didn't say "catholic organizations", he specially said, "catholic churches" in his list. Therefore, a lie. Or a "minor point he got wrong", depending on your view. See how easy that is?

[boutons_deux]

It's like boutons... he thought Biden was honest throughout

link?

[ElNono]

fify

thanks, tbh

[ElNono]

link?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post6141885
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post6142004
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post6142201

You couldn't find anything you could share with us about the VP?

[TeyshaBlue]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post6141885
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post6142004
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post6142201

You couldn't find anything you could share with us about the VP?

Not on alternet or thinkprogress.borg.

[TeyshaBlue]

PussyEater and TB ignoring that corporate death panels already and truly due exist, have forevere. And as we saw in the suit in CA that got a fine of $200M, manangers have been incentivized by quota to deny care and cancel insurance policies to save money.

Shut the up, bot. I never made any claim even close to that.

[ploto]

(Reuters) - Vice President Joe Biden came out on top of Thursday night's vice presidential debate with Republican challenger Paul Ryan, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll.

The energetic Biden claimed a seven-point victory - 42 percent to 35 percent - among registered voters, with a similar margin among independents. Nearly a quarter of registered voters and about a third of independents were unsure who did a better job during the debate at Centre College in Danville, Kentucky...

Voters said Biden was more qualified to be president, as the vice president moved from 43 to 45 percent on that question over the course of the debate, and Ryan stayed at 35 percent. The Wisconsin congressman's presence on the Romney ticket may also cause trouble for the Republican Party: 27 percent of registered voters said Ryan made them less favorable toward Romney, up from 21 percent before the debate.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...89B1AK20121013

[z0sa]

It was the SNL worthy debate we all expected tbh. Biden "won" but I call it a draw simply because neither of these s is worth a damn.

[Clipper Nation]

the polls seem to disagree with you

These polls are confirmation bias for party homers such as yourself, tbh....

[rascal]

Biden can't even spin his lies.

You shouldn't even be in this thread. It asked for your honest non-biased opinion.

[Wild Cobra]

You shouldn't even be in this thread. It asked for your honest non-biased opinion.

Only a biased person thinks Biden doesn't lie his ass off...

[boutons_deux]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post6141885
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post6142004
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post6142201

You couldn't find anything you could share with us about the VP?

do enting the Ryan LIES is not saying that Joe told the perfect truth. so, GFY.

and I ask again:

link?

[AFBlue]

Ryan. Any substantive gains Biden made on policy were negated (and then some) by his condescension.

[ElNono]

do enting the Ryan LIES is not saying that Joe told the perfect truth. so, GFY.

Looking through your posts, I wouldn't know. So what did Biden lie about?

[LnGrrrR]

Wonder where Yoni went?

[boutons_deux]

Ryan. Any substantive gains Biden made on policy were negated (and then some) by his condescension.

the condescension, the smirking, the laughing at Ryan were fully justified. Ryan is a low-life, lying s bag of a lying jerk.

He absolutely refused to get past the 20% tax cut (which is a pure electoral play) without ever saying, other than Gecko cutting Big Bird, about how they are going to pay for the $5T in tax cuts. He merits NO RESPECT when he disrespects The American People with his charade of lies and all-out sociopathy.

[Juggity]

Ryan. Any substantive gains Biden made on policy were negated (and then some) by his condescension.

If that's the case, you'll have to discount Romney's first debate performance as well, which was characterized by similar condescension.

[SnakeBoy]

Looking through your posts, I wouldn't know. So what did Biden lie about?

Biden said he voted against the wars...he lied.

[ElNono]

Biden said he voted against the wars...he lied.

Biden lied through the nose. You don't spin the last 4 year's fest if you don't lie through the nose. The problem for Ryan is that he's a Congressman and has been as much of the problem and thus he had to lie through the nose too.

But looking at bot's post, you would think only one of them did

[boutons_deux]

Biden lied through the nose. You don't spin the last 4 year's fest if you don't lie through the nose. The problem for Ryan is that he's a Congressman and has been as much of the problem and thus he had to lie through the nose too.

But looking at bot's post, you would think only one of them did

List all of Biden's lies and let's line them up against all the LIES Ryan told.

[ElNono]

List all of Biden's lies and let's line them up against all the LIES Ryan told.

lol weighing liar's equivalences...

[boutons_deux]

lol weighing liar's equivalences...

I doubt there will be any equivalence in numbers or in intensity.

But I see at least El Nono has no list of Biden's lies. figures, you're a bunch of fakers.

[TeyshaBlue]

The cut and paste bot without a single, cogent original thought, calling anyone a faker.

Yummy Vitamin I.

[TeyshaBlue]

You are aware, nobody on this board takes you seriously, right bot?

[z0sa]

"well well well HE LIED LESS THOUGH!"