Which one is it going to be, sophist?
Possession of a stolen gun is not the same as the actual theft. This is the distinction I am trying to point out yet you two dip s keep on handwaving on the distinction between grandtheft and petty theft. I get that the actual theft will not be a felony. I am talking about the possession of a stolen gun where other felony counts than grandtheft would apply.
Last edited by FuzzyLumpkins; 11-12-2014 at 01:14 AM.
And again thousands of prisoners have been released in the past week since it's passed. Where are the examples of undeterred gun thefts? I see a whole lot of hypotheticals and not a single empirical example.
Have you forgotten we are discussing the implications of prop 47 which deal specifically with the distinction between grand theft and petty theft?
all gun thefts should be felonies, and the victim of gun theft fined $1000 and have his gun license(s) and all his guns confiscated for a year.
If his stolen gun is used to commit murder, then the gun owner gets mandatory 1 year in prison.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 11-12-2014 at 02:41 PM.
You were the one arguing the need for deterrence, dip . Stealing a gun implies the possession of said stolen weapon. Do we need to look up the meaning of the word implication? This is exactly what I am talking about regarding missing the forest for a tree.
Guess Super Bowl festivities are over.
smh. You still don't get it and are still wrong.
If I am wrong then that is okay but you have yet to articulate how I am wrong. I answered the notwithstanding objection and you dimwits don't seem to understand there are other felonies that would apply. It's even in the voters guide that you linked in the very beginning.
You are shortsighted, have tunnel vision, read at a low level and cannot think for yourself. Sorry that you cannot keep up with more than one thing at once nor recall the breadth of the argument we have been having.
http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/en/...-rebuttals.htmProposition 47 maintains penalties for gun crimes. Under Prop. 47, possessing a stolen concealed gun remains a felony. Additional felony penalties to prevent felons and gang members from obtaining guns also apply.
Congress decriminalizes medical marijuana :
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...216-story.htmlTucked deep inside the 1,603-page federal spending measure is a provision that effectively ends the federal government's prohibition on medical marijuana and signals a major shift in drug policy.
The bill's passage over the weekend marks the first time Congress has approved nationally significant legislation backed by legalization advocates. It brings almost to a close two decades of tension between the states and Washington over medical use of marijuana.
Under the provision, states where medical pot is legal would no longer need to worry about federal drug agents raiding retail operations. Agents would be prohibited from doing so.
I was amazed to read this a couple days ago.
maybe DEA/DrugWarriors will quit LYING that mj has no medical benefit (there are have been about 20K research projects on mj world-wide, more research than almost ANY FDA-approved drug)
but probably not.
(govt) researchers "should" be able do mj research now which has been mostly restricted to near-prohibition, and IIRC, only mj from a single govt plot of mj in the South.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 12-16-2014 at 12:47 PM.
Kafkaesque:
Feds stick to court argument that marijuana is dangerous
Two weeks after President Obama signed legislation prohibiting federal interference with state medical marijuana laws, his administration has told a federal judge in Sacramento that pot is still a dangerous drug with no medical value.
The U.S. attorney’s office, representing Obama’s Justice Department, made the argument in a court filing Wednesday opposing a challenge to the long-standing federal law that classifies marijuana as a Schedule One drug along with heroin, LSD and ecstasy — substances that have a high potential for abuse and no safe medical use.
While there may be “some dispute among doctors as to whether marijuana is medicine,” there is ample evidence to support the government’s conclusion that “this psychoactive, addictive drug is not accepted as safe for medical use at this time, even with medical supervision,” Assistant U.S. Attorney Gregory Broderick wrote.
Lawyers for alleged marijuana growers countered that the government presented no credible evidence that marijuana carries the potential hazards of legal substances, like tobacco and alcohol, and that the administration’s position makes even less sense in light of the law Obama signed Dec. 16.
That law, part of an overall government financing bill for the year, bars the federal government from spending money to prevent California and 21 other states from “implementing their own state laws that authorize the use, distribution, possession or cultivation of medical marijuana.”
Congress can’t rationally “justify a finding that marijuana has no medical benefits while demanding that the distribution of medical marijuana be protected from federal government interference,” said Zenia Gilg, lawyer for one of seven defendants charged with growing marijuana on national forest land in Trinity and Tehama counties.
?http://m.sfgate.com/nation/article/Feds-stick-to-court-argument-that-marijuana-is-5990798.php
What does Obama have to lose to move mj from its insane Schedule I position to Schedule IV, or even off Schedule completely?
Rescheduling substances is 100% within the Exec's power.
It would certainly satisfy Repug/Fox whining about over-regulating, over-reaching Big Govt (not that being 100% hypocritical ever bothers the Repugs, depending whether its a Repug or Dem doing something).
Last edited by boutons_deux; 01-04-2015 at 11:28 AM.
Americans Favor Legalizing Pot and Criminalizing Congress
WASHINGTON — By a huge majority, Americans support laws legalizing marijuana and criminalizing Congress, according to a poll released on Thursday.
While the poll reflects a relaxation of at udes about recreational pot use, it also suggests that many Americans now view membership in Congress as a problem ravaging the nation.
Harland Dorrinson, an activist who has spent years mobilizing support for the criminalization of Congress, said that “this poll reinforces what many of us have been saying for a long time: Congress destroys lives.”
“I’ve seen productive members of society get involved with Congress and completely lose the will to work,” he said. “They just sit there, totally numb and out of touch with reality.”
He noted that the once prevalent view that membership in Congress was “harmless” is now being discredited.
“If you look at what happens to someone’s brain after ten, twenty, or even thirty years in Congress, it’s devastating,” he said. “There is severe impairment.”
Additionally, he warned that Congress is a “gateway elective office” that leads many to try running for President.
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/americans-favor-legalizing-pot-and-criminalizing-congress?mbid=nl_022615_borowitz&CNDID=&spMailingI D=7538743&spUserID=MjczNzc0Njk0NDAS1&spJobID=62249 8586&spReportId=NjIyNDk4NTg2S0
come on, people, ya gotta admit, this is a pretty good one.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 02-27-2015 at 10:17 AM.
That's one reason why we shold only for for those with experience as Governor, or some other executive office.
agreed, Repug members of Congress are appointed.
Republicans Warn Washington to Think Twice About Legalizing Marijuana
Some Congressional Republicans said Thursday that they would increase their efforts to prevent residents here from possessing small amounts of marijuana, which became legal in Washington at midnight, and warned that the city would face numerous investigations and hearings should the mayor continue her practice of telling them to please find something else to worry about.
“We say move forward at your own peril,” said Representative Jason Chaffetz of Utah, chairman of the House Oversight Committee, echoing a letter he and Representative Mark Meadows, Republican of North Carolina, sent to city officials this week, warning of legal action and ordering the district to turn over do entation on any employees involved with putting the law into effect.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/02/27...wice.html?_r=0
all bark, no bite:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...6ee_story.htmlHouse Republicans said Wednesday that they are not preparing to take legal action against the city should it proceed in defiance of a congressional funding rider. Instead, one congressman said, it would fall to the Justice Department to intervene — a much less likely scenario under the Obama administration.
“I think the attorney general should prosecute people in the District who participate in this under the Anti-Deficiency Act,” said Rep. Andy Harris (R-Md.), who introduced the appropriations amendment intended to block the city from moving forward with the marijuana legalization measure passed by voters in November.
Besides, they aren't interested in spending limited funds there.
Repugs have spent $Ms suing Obama!They wasted $10Ms of House time repealing Obamacare 50+ times!
Do you consider them at the same level?Repugs have spent $Ms suing Obama!
Obamacare is going to harm America more than Mary Jane ever can.
evidence? or just your bogus "faith"
Well, my bogus faith is far better than your actual faith.
so you don't have evidence
Wooosh....
Over your head, huh...
It's stupid to legalize pot and not legalize and tax the whole process from production to distribution to retail. I like what they are doing with the Colorado model. They have had some bumps but for the most part it seems to be working.
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