ps- Don't trade his rights unless we get uber mounds of gold for him. Make his ass sit in Europe til ing 2009. The buyout works 4 ways. The Spurs. Tau. Scola. And the rules+money.
This is either Scola's fault, or his agent. Don't trade him just cause.
Manu's original contract was 2 yrs, 2.9M. What it comes down to is that Scola and his agent are trying to play poker with Pop and RC...and they're losing. It also sounds like they won't tell the Spurs what the buyout is, in hopes of eliciting a huge offer. The Spurs are holding all of the good cards. They have his rights until one year after his Tau contract expires, and have NO REASON to trade him.
Great post on the numbers Rick. that was an eye opener. Don't forget the agent gets his piece too.
I thought the buy out is $3.2MM for a first round draft pick. Because Scola was picked in the 2nd round, its unclear what the buyout is and that's why people think it might go to arbitration.
The bottome line is no matter how disapionting it may be right now, Scola and his agent need to put their noses to the grindstone and get the buyout situation resolved to the point that an NBA team can depend on it's certainty. Go to arbitration if necessary, but get it done and acknowledged by Eurobasket or FIBA, whoever deals with situations like this. THEN they would be in a much stronger position than they are now. If the Spurs decide to go with a young cheap three or trade Rasho or Nazr for an established three, then they could still concieveably use the remainder of their MLE on Scola. Unlikely, but possible. However, if Scola does not resolve the situation it is much, much less likely that Scola will play in the NBA.
Some thoughts...
Despite his international resume, still hasn't played a game in the NBA.waly -
But Scola isn´t a rookie, he have a Gold Medal, a 2nd place in the WC
Boo ing hoo. I don't know what's worse in this thread - Kori's complete ownage of all the Argentinian Scola nutridders, or Shawn Michaels trying to bring a take.Shawn Michaels-
Spurs won't pay for him to be on the team, and if another NBA team wants him they have to give up a player to the Spurs PLUS deal with the bas s of Tau
Dude, you're a dumbass, you probably still don't even know what country Oberto played for in the Olympics, and you make LakerGod look like someone who brings decent takes. STFU.
Well, let's see...hendrix - Ok, but why call him a whiner.
1. Dude cried on draft night and pretty much said "fvck you" to the entire NBA for not drafting him in the first round.
2. He got all pissy when RC sent him an email encouraging him to work on his rebound. I know it's probably a novel concept to think a PF should average more than 6 boards a game, but RC might have been on to something.
3. Now his frustration and the whole he said/she said thing over not getting his contract.
Exstatic hit it on the head - Scola and his agent are trying to work the Spurs over for more money, they won't even come out and tell what the buyout is. Just that the Spurs needed to give him, an (NBA) unproven, undersized PF a crapload of money for this Tau buyout that seems to have changed more times than Kobe's Colorado story.
Bottom line:
* Argentines need to deal with it. This is all on Scola and his agent (this coming from a person who was looking forward to see Luis in the league).
* Scola's agent is really the one to blame here. He tried to bluff the Spurs out of more money. Dumb move. Pop is ex-CIA. Those guys always have connections.
* If Kori ever ins utes a no-idiot policy for this board, Shawn Michaels will be gone faster than the Hawks playoff hopes.
I think this is what most people don't get. What you suggest should be ideal from the Spurs or any NBA team point of view but, but I don't think it is viable legally!
From the article smeagol translated:
Scola cannot pay his buyout and then negotiate with an NBA team. It’s the other way around. First, Luis has to go to Tau with and offer from and NBA team in order for Tau to make effective the NBA clause ($3.2MM) and not the European clause ($14.5MM).
Scola cannot negotiate with Tau before he has a concrete offer from an NBA team (Spurs in this case). The final amount of the buyout depends on what side of the pond is the team hiring Scola. If he has to go to arbitration, he must present proof of an NBA team commitment, not the other way around.
Either way, Scola has to have a number for a buyout. It doesn't make sense that the number is a mystery until he walks into the Tau offices with a contract. Scola or his agents should know what the number is. Tau is playing him like a fiddle if that is what they are telling him, because they know that an NBA team won't offer him a contract unless they know Scola signing it is possible. It's comical to think that a party in contract negotiations would only know the buyout number AFTER they are offered their next contract
The first step Scola needs to do is get a number from Tau. After that is resolved, then the Spurs can either plan to bring him over or trade him or whatever. Imagine if the Spurs tried to trade him now and when the other team asked what the contract buyout it ... the Spurs tell them it's a secret until you offer him a contract.
I don't get it, I think I missed something, why do you guys think the buyout is a mystery to either Scola, his agent or the Spurs? Just because Scola doesn't want to say it to the press?
Because he hasn't negotiatied the buyout amount yet, right? It was supposed to be 14M if he was going to a Euro team. It was supposed to be 3.2M if he was going to an NBA team (but only if he was a first round pick). So, no buyout amount has been determine.
The fact that he didn't make that number public doesn't mean that the Spurs don't know it. Let's not kid ourselves. It is a matter that even with that number being known, Scola still has to go to arbitration to be released by a pesky Tau FO.Either way, Scola has to have a number for a buyout. It doesn't make sense that the number is a mystery until he walks into the Tau offices with a contract. Scola or his agents should know what the number is. Tau is playing him like a fiddle if that is what they are telling him, because they know that an NBA team won't offer him a contract unless they know Scola signing it is possible. It's comical to think that a party in contract negotiations would only know the buyout number AFTER they are offered their next contract
The first step Scola needs to do is get a number from Tau. After that is resolved, then the Spurs can either plan to bring him over or trade him or whatever. Imagine if the Spurs tried to trade him now and when the other team asked what the contract buyout it ... the Spurs tell them it's a secret until you offer him a contract.
In order to go to arbitration, he must have an offer from the Spurs, and the Spurs will not have certainty of the buyout (and his player) until arbitration finishes by September. While the results of arbitration seem to favor Scola/Spurs, there is still uncertainty like in any legal procedure. In the unlikely--albeit possible--case of a negative result in arbitration, his contract money would be freezed a long time instead of being used in some other deals. I think the Spurs didn't want to take that risk, AND they offered him a cheap contract under the current conditions.
I still dont get why you think that there is no amount determined when Scola said there was one and no one was guessing it.
It looks to me as there are two different amounts determined by Scola's contract, one if he goes to another european team or he becomes a free agent (14.5M) and another if he goes to the NBA (3.2M or something). Probably NBA buyout close specifies that there should be a contract offer before he can exercise it.
I think his being coy about the amount is all the confirmation we need to conclude there is no amount set.I still dont get why you think that there is no amount determined when Scola said there was one and no one was guessing it.
Even Scola's side has said the $3.2M is only if he were a first round pick. So the real buyout amount (whether it's been determine or not) may be the same, if Tau agrees, or it may be a lot higher. Scola says that they were trying to negotiate a buyout but that they didn't meet the Spurs deadline .. that to me tells me that no one knows the exact number of the buyout.
The way I read the situation is:
If arbitration succeeds --> buyout = 3.2M
else --> 3.2M < buyout < 14.5M
Or they could just offer Tau more money in order to avoid an arbitration but thats highly unlike Tau management.
So Scola would need a team willing to offer him a contract (something like 9M / 3years) and willing to wait for an arbitration, or offer him more money.
I dont think Scola will play in the NBA in the next season but everything is possible.
I would quote your comments, but they are pointless spins.
You say Scola whines, and can not take coaching critique, making it clear you don't have the knowledge to know Scola is considered a warrior by one of the toughest coaches in the World to play for.
As far as credibility on the matter, we all know where you stand. I would thrash the rest of your dribble, but my time dealing with small minds is limited. LOL!
Such insight.
Amazing.
5ToolMan = Master Thespian
Don't get aggressive!!!!!
he's new!!
I'm not acting. Just asking TiMVP to cut the clueless spin.
It was more the delivery.
If that was humor, it was well played.
Props.
Your post almost make sence for a change. Well almost anyway. At least you did not turn what you don't know into a thrashing of Scola's character, putting the knife to your own.Either way, Scola has to have a number for a buyout. It doesn't make sense that the number is a mystery until he walks into the Tau offices with a contract. Scola or his agents should know what the number is. Tau is playing him like a fiddle if that is what they are telling him, because they know that an NBA team won't offer him a contract unless they know Scola signing it is possible. It's comical to think that a party in contract negotiations would only know the buyout number AFTER they are offered their next contract
The first step Scola needs to do is get a number from Tau. After that is resolved, then the Spurs can either plan to bring him over or trade him or whatever. Imagine if the Spurs tried to trade him now and when the other team asked what the contract buyout it ... the Spurs tell them it's a secret until you offer him a contract.
I agree that Scola's agent should have settled the buyout number outside of any contract that may be offered. In fact, he is an idiot for not having a solid number long ago, before Scola's desire to play in the NBA was common knowledge, and before his stock elevated with a solid 2 years of post play.
But what is, is what is. And what is clear, is that Tau has the number high enough that neither Scola and consequently the Spurs have many options to now bring him the the NBA. Unless Tau decides to give him up, which is slim and none. It is business, plain an simple. And none of the three players are doing anything wrong.
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