*****Official Government Shutdown Gamethread*****

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Eric Cantor Dismisses Clean Bill To Reopen Government

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) said Thursday that a bill to reopen the government must chip away at Obamacare, despite growing calls from his own members for a "clean" funding bill with no such strings attached.

A reporter pointed out that at least 17 House Republicans have now said they'd vote for a clean bill, which is the required number to pass such a measure, with the support of all Democratic members. In fact, the number has hit at least 20, but Cantor was uninterested. The reporter then asked Cantor why House leadership would not bring a funding bill up for a vote and fight Obamacare within the context of the debt limit.

"The speaker and I have both said that the Republican position is we believe we should fund this government, but we also believe that there should not be any special treatment for anyone, and that is why we believe the right solution to that is to provide for a delay of the individual mandate under the health care law," Cantor said.

"And in the same vein and perhaps with even more intensity, no way in the world should members of Congress get special treatment under that law either," he added. "So all we've got to do is come together, and we can iron out the differences."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4037152.html

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Polls find risk to GOP in House over shutdown


By pushing Congress to the brink of a shutdown over Obamacare, House Republicans ultimately stand to lose on the very issue that helped bring them to power, pollsters and analysts say.
Although polls show President Obama is getting a hefty share of the blame for the budget impasse, surveys also show that the Republicans are faring worse than the president. Most voters dislike

Obamacare, but they dislike a government shutdown over the health care program even more.

For example, a Rasmussen Reports survey Monday found that 45 percent of the public favor a shutdown until Democrats and Republicans can agree on spending cuts. That was down from 53 percent only two weeks ago.

A CNN/ORC poll released Monday found that 46 percent of Americans would blame Republicans for a shutdown and 36 percent would blame Mr. Obama.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz2glgKFZ48

[TDMVPDPOY]

pure WC comedy!

"Remember how the democrats funded the viet-Nam war, until Nixon had a chance of winning it?"

Democrat LBJ's Paris peace talks were subverted by the Nixon Repug campaign in the '68 election. Nixon told the VN that they would get a better deal from him than from LBJ. Peace talks collapsed. Nixon and the military, aka "better deal", fought on, AND LOST that war 1975.

at its peak US aid to South vietnam was $30billion a year leading upto the final days of the war..i dont know how much that is at current inflation rates, but damn thats more then some states in america get

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Government shutdown: Potential 2016 candidates seek distance

For those who would be GOP candidates next time, then, a little distancing is in order. That is far easier to pull off if you’re not residing in the Beltway or its environs right now.

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, for one, has taken on the Washington contretemps as Example A of how not to do things -- an approach that artfully helps to demonstrate his willingness to work with Democrats, the dominant party in the state in which he’s seeking reelection.

“I told my staff today: If I were down there, I would say, ‘Listen, we’ve got seven hours to go. Guess where you’re spending the next seven hours? Right here in the Roosevelt Room. We’re not leaving until we get a solution to this problem,’” the Republican governor said in Red Bank earlier this week, just before the shutdown took effect.

“I think everybody’s handled it poorly,” Christie said.

Later, at a groundbreaking for a university building in Glassboro, he pounded home the message again with the help of state Senate President Stephen Sweeney, a Democrat who lauded Christie for working with his party to boost the state’s education spending.

“As Steve very well put it, it is in stark contrast to what we're seeing right now in the nation's capital, where not only won't people work together, they won't even talk to each other,” Christie said. “And you know that doesn't happen here … even when we're angry with each other we don't let ourselves stop talking to each other. And those relationships are the type of relationships that allow you to make the progress that we're all noting her today.”

A potential 2016 compe or, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, used his position as chairman of the Republican Governors Assn. to stiff-arm his compadres in the Capitol.

“Republican governors are not going to take a back seat to anyone in Washington anymore,” he said in a statement, adding: “We are no longer going to outsource the Republican brand to the talking heads in Washington. We are not going to allow the Republican Party to be defined by the dysfunction in Washington. We are not going to allow the antics in Washington to damage or destroy what we stand for.”

For good measure, Jindal tweeted: “There's a crisis every week in Washington D.C.”

It can be a little tougher to gain distance from a perch inside the Capitol. On Wednesday, Ohio Sen. Rob Portman outlined for reporters a grand framework for the budget that he called “a step in the right direction.” Portman, who was short-listed for vice president on the 2012 Republican ticket, said he was trying to sell both parties on his plan.

He brushed aside the current effort to force delays or defunding of President Obama’s healthcare law.

“We fought that fight; we fought hard,” he said. “We’ve done what we can do at this point, including taking the government into shutdown.”

Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, meanwhile, was also seeking a bit of remove from the dust-up that he, more than anyone else, had forced. (Cruz kicked off the effort with a 21-hour verbal tour de force that included references to Nazis, the “Star Wars" empire and its rebels, and “Green Eggs and Ham.” Though, were he to stay in sync with the message of the Dr. Seuss masterpiece, he would have suggested at least trying Obamacare, not the opposite.)

“We're in a shutdown for one reason,” he declared on Wednesday, blaming it all on the Democratic Senate leader. “Harry Reid wants a shutdown.”

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#sectio.../p2p-77655006/

Rand Paul of course is up to his Wombat hair in the shutdown

[TDMVPDPOY]

the problem isnt the debt, t hey just dont want to follow a black leader

[AntiChrist]

Barrycades now with wire ties at WWII memorial





For comparison, Barrycade at WWI memorial

[AntiChrist]

the problem isnt the debt, t hey just dont want to follow a black leader

Keep drinkin det KoolAid


Funny thing, when Obama unilaterally suspends employer mandate for 1 year, no big deal. When Republicans want to delay the individual mandate, pure evil.

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Barrycades now with wire ties at WWII memorial





For comparison, Barrycade at WWI memorial

all you assholes have is trashing talking the Barrycades?

[hitmanyr2k]

What the was this idiot congressman thinking? As if Republicans couldn't look any more stupid he actually berates a woman for doing her job as a result of the shutdown his party caused? And then bicycle helmet guy made him get the out of dodge From a comedy standpoint the GOP is the gift that keeps on giving.

[AntiChrist]

It's weird that they have employees around to keep erecting the barrycades.

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It's weird that they have employees around to keep erecting the barrycades.

not getting paid

[Wild Cobra]

It's weird that they have employees around to keep erecting the barrycades.

I wonder what essential job they aren't doing...

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With No New Plan, Boehner Makes Angry Plea on Shutdown

House Republicans emerged from a closed-door meeting on Friday with no new strategy to end the budget standoff and an angry plea to President Obama to negotiate over his health care law.

“This isn’t some damned game,” said Speaker John A. Boehner, his voice rising in anger. “The American people don’t want their government shut down, and neither do I. All we’re asking for is to sit down and have a discussion, reopen the government and bring fairness to the American people under Obamacare.”

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/10/05...?from=homepage

So the Repugs STILL want ACA damaged in some way. 'em all to .

Damn, Boner brings some really weak at talking points.

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With Federal Wallet Closed, States Agonize Over Opening Their Own

With no end in sight to the federal government shutdown, governors across the nation are struggling with a cascade of tough decisions about when and whether to step in with state funds to keep an ever-growing list of shuttered parks and programs operating until the deadlock is resolved.

The decisions so far involve mostly high-profile programs receiving federal support that have been immediately imperiled, among them parks, Head Start programs that provided nutrition and education for low-income 3- and 4-year olds, law enforcement on Indian reservations and the National Guard.

The decisions and difficulties promise to grow more complicated and more polarizing if the shutdown extends and federal poverty programs administered by the states – in particular heating assistance and child nutrition programs -- begin running dry.


The Head Start program is looming as a particular source of pressure for governors and their states. There are thousands of Head Start grants, typically starting at the beginning of the month, meaning that on Nov. 1 more programs around the country are going to run out of money.

Yasmina S. Vinci, executive director of the National Head Start Association, said 19,000 children from low-income families had lost or were at risk of losing services in 11 states because of the shutdown.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/10/05...?from=homepage

And notice insane sociopathic Repugs and Randians in DC NEVER mention HeadStart

They also didn't give a about cancer treatment for kids/NIH until somebody brought it up. Oh yeah! Hey, that's horse we can ride!

Repugs cut $2B from NIH in 2011 and Boner wouldn't even allow the vote to restore it.

But now, politically advantageous, their whiny about cancer treatment for kids (anyway, how was that not already defined as essential service?)

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House GOPer: 'I Need My Paycheck' During Shutdown





Rep. Renee Ellmers (R-NC) told a local television station that she would not be deferring her pay during the government shutdown, as some other members have done.

"I need my paycheck. That's the bottom line," Ellmers told WTVD in Raleigh, N.C. "I understand that there may be some other members who are deferring their paychecks, and I think that's admirable. I'm not in that position."

According to Ellmers's official website, she was a registered nurse for 21 years before being elected to Congress. Her husband Brent, the website says, is a general surgeon.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...ed-my-paycheck

So hilarious how tone-deaf the this Confederate assholes are.

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latest news from Bull Mountain

http://www.alternet.org/jon-stewart-...tter905623&t=9

[SA210]

Shocking! CBS Hounds Pelosi Over Shutdown: 'You've Called Them Arsonists'

CBS This Morning has a long established history of conducting softball interviews of liberal/Democratic guests, while unleashing on conservative/liberal ones. But on Friday, the morning newscast surprisingly hounded Rep. Nancy Pelosi on the ongoing government shutdown. Obama supporter Gayle King repeatedly pressed Pelosi about "people [who] are just saying...work it out....both sides have to be willing to leave something on the table."

Anthony Mason underlined how "Senator [Harry] Reid called some Republicans anarchists. You've called them arsonists....How do you get a meeting of the minds when people are talking like that?" Norah O'Donnell also wondered about "a scenario...where Democrats would be willing to give on a larger budget deal – the grand bargain coming back, and giving on en lements, so that we can move forward."

O'Donnell led with the Thursday security scare at the Capitol, and raised the subject of the shutdown by asking, "Is it true the Capitol Police are working without pay because of the budget shutdown?" Once the San Francisco liberal confirmed that this was the case, King began pursuing her about her role in the shutdown:

GAYLE KING: ...What do you say to people that say, just work it out, without going into the for tat that seems to be going on both sides? What will it take, Madame Speaker, to resolve this issue?



REP. NANCY PELOSI, (D), HOUSE MINORITY LEADER: Well, it will take some – coming together on the Republican side. It's very hard to negotiate with the Republicans when they can’t negotiate with themselves. But having said that-

KING: I know, but they're saying the same thing about you guys, too.

PELOSI: No, it isn't; no, it isn't. We have – four times – brought to the floor their bill and voted 100 percent for their bill, and they still won't take yes for an answer. But let's take a deep breath on this. We have a serious matter. Our government is shut down. The – the default on our full faith and credit is at risk. And so, we have to find a path. And so, we have...said to the Speaker, we will accept your bill – we don't like the bill....But we will accept that in order to go forward. But they do not have, within their own ranks, the ability to take yes for an answer-

KING: I know. A good friend of mine said, in any negotiation, both sides have to be willing to leave something on the table.

PELOSI: That's right, and that's why we agreed to their number...which we don't like. We've always said to them, we'll help you procedurally; we'll help you substantively....

Mason continued with his citation of Harry Reid and Pelosi's name-calling. The former House Speaker answer by launching more attacks against her Republican opponents:

PELOSI: Well, the fact is that there are, within the ranks of the Republican Party – and this is the bigger picture that the Republican Party has to deal with, and has an impact on our country – if you don't believe in a government role, then it's easy for you to say, in order to lift the debt ceiling, we want to eliminate all EPA rules for clean air, clean water, and the rest....You have to come to a conclusion. Sandy aid – fewer than 20 percent of the Republicans voted for Sandy aid. They have something going on there. I say Republicans, take back your party.

O'Donnell then asked her "grand bargain" question. Pelosi replied that "the President already has in the budget that he agreed to in 2011. That isn't a happy scenario for our members, but...nonetheless, it was part of a grand bargain, and it all depends on what the bargain is."

Near the end of the segment, King hounded her one more time, pointing out that Pelosi has "five children, and you're used to squabbling. In one sentence, what would you say to your children if they were behaving the way the Democrats and the Republicans are behaving?" The liberal guest replied by actually pointing a finger at the left-leaning press: "Well, I don't agree to your stipulation of behavior. The President of the United States has gone forward with – extending the hand of friendship over and over. I think that has been lost in the news."

Mason interrupted and shot back, "But, at the same time, the President's saying, we won't negotiate, and he's taking criticism for that." Pelosi stuck to her talking points, but King came right back: "To the people outside, it really just does seem like white noise. It just seems like, you say something; they say something...And the people are just saying, you guys, just work it out. That's all I'm saying."

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew...#ixzz2gnzPOrr9

[Clipper Nation]

[TDMVPDPOY]

most of these politicians are already millionaires or earning other in the private sector b4 joining into politics, these fkn clowns crying over a paycheck...

[Jacob1983]

These greedy mother ers should work a week as a waiter at IHOP or a cashier at Wal Mart and they will definitely be a lot more concerned about their paychecks. These idiots in Congress should not be paid anything during this shutdown. That means they do not earn any money during the shutdown and will not get paid for time lost once the shutdown is over. Money and power are the only things that our piece of congress cares about. We are stupid to think that they give a about us. They don't give a about us. They just want money and power. Plain and simple. If their pay had actually been in danger of being taken from them, there wouldn't even be a shutdown and you know that.

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TELL BOEHNER: END THE SHUTDOWN

http://www.dccc.org/page/s/Stop-The-Shutdown?source=em_PET_2013.10.05_b1_stop-the-shutdown_signers

[Wild Cobra]

Tell the democrats to end the shutdown.

Republicans have worked on several individual bills to pay for things like WIC, and other programs. It is the democrats who are failing to vote on the bill from the house.

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Tell the democrats to end the shutdown.

Republicans have worked on several individual bills to pay for things like WIC, and other programs. It is the democrats who are failing to vote on the bill from the house.

WC's Comedy Central.

The ACA is law. Elections have consequences. Repugs lost, so they up the country and the law.

After the budget approved by the Dems in the "clean CR" is just a tad more than sociopathic asshole fraud Ryan's own budget number (aka, a HUGE Dem comprosie), the Repugs have offered NOTHING except ing up ACA

[Venti Quattro]

Tell the democrats to end the shutdown.

Republicans have worked on several individual bills to pay for things like WIC, and other programs. It is the democrats who are failing to vote on the bill from the house.

LOL WHAT

This is about the Repugs hostaging the country because they don't want the ACA.

[Michael Jordan.]

lol wc