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    The Spurs didn't find him. He fell in the draft because other teams didn't think he was athletic or fast enough for the NBA level to use a first round pick on him.

    He's not too bad on offense, I really like what I've seen there, but on defense that lack of speed and athleticism comes into question. I'm defense first, second, third, fourth, so I'm going to need to see him be at least passable on that end of the court before I'd be willing to give him a spot in the rotation. It's all about defense for him. If he wants to play, he's gotta become at least passable on that end of the court.
    So you wouldn't take James Harden on a minimum contract?

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    KA needs to get stronger, can't do too much about his foot speed but he does need to get a bit stronger to defend big SFs in the post, Granger pushed it around a bit too much the other day, did better tonight.

    But his talent is just obvious, he's a baller.

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    Yeah KA is looking more and more like another gem. I have questioned many FO dissensions in past but one thing I know for sure is they are one of the best at picking and finding young Talent.
    Best at picking and DEVELOPING young talent.

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    Is KA, gary neal-bad on D or can he actually stand to improve in that area?
    He can improve.

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    based on your criteria, there are a whole bunch of spurs' rotation players that shouldn't be a part of the rotation. I guess it's good that you're not a coach.
    Did I say he needs to be an all world defender? What exactly do you think my criteria is?

    Anderson is really bad defensively. I said he needs to become at least passable. In case you can't figure out what I meant by passable, it means he needs to at least get to an average level on that end of the court. If he can do that, he might be alright as a team defender in the Spurs system playing with some of the better defenders on the team. lol, if you think that's asking for too much I don't know what to say. So you're OK with traffic cone defense?

    I can tell you I was not happy with Marco in the playoffs last season. I wanted him off the court because of his lack of defense quite often during the playoffs. Apart from him, Pop didn't play the worst defenders that much.

    The Spurs defense getting better and back to a top 5 defensive team the last few seasons is what got them back to being a Championship level team. I don't believe you can win anything with a great offense and an average defense. I think you need a top 5 defense (which the Spurs had the last couple of seasons) to go along with a good offense to win.

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    Is KA, gary neal-bad on D or can he actually stand to improve in that area?
    He did have three steals and a block, FWIW

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    Did I say he needs to be an all world defender? What exactly do you think my criteria is?

    Anderson is really bad defensively. I said he needs to become at least passable. In case you can't figure out what I meant by passable, it means he needs to at least get to an average level on that end of the court. If he can do that, he might be alright as a team defender in the Spurs system playing with some of the better defenders on the team. lol, if you think that's asking for too much I don't know what to say. So you're OK with traffic cone defense?

    I can tell you I was not happy with Marco in the playoffs last season. I wanted him off the court because of his lack of defense quite often during the playoffs. Apart from him, Pop didn't play the worst defenders that much.

    The Spurs defense getting better and back to a top 5 defensive team the last few seasons is what got them back to being a Championship level team. I don't believe you can win anything with a great offense and an average defense. I think you need a top 5 defense (which the Spurs had the last couple of seasons) to go along with a good offense to win.
    He had 3 steals and 1 block in this game!!! Just because he doesn't pass your eye-test doesn't mean he can't defend. The stats say otherwise. The man can certainly play defense!

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    Good practice today. Game plan was "find Baynes or find Ayres". How much more if it was "find the other spurs' Bigs."

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    #6 is a lock!

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    Is KA, gary neal-bad on D or can he actually stand to improve in that area?
    KA isn't nearly as bad or slow as some on here are saying. He's already shown improvement in just a few preseason games. He'll be part of the rotation this season. Another Spurs draft steal.

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    So you wouldn't take James Harden on a minimum contract?
    If I was coaching him I wouldn't let him loaf around on defense. I'd demand he play defense, especially if I knew that he was capable of it. He can play defense, but for some reason doesn't try, but that's OK with me since he's not on the Spurs team.

    And that's a silly question. A 25ppg scorer, for a minimum contract? Of course I'd take him, I'd surround him with decent defensive players.

    He had 3 steals and 1 block in this game!!! Just because he doesn't pass your eye-test doesn't mean he can't defend. The stats say otherwise. The man can certainly play defense!
    Steals and block don't really mean anything in regards to a player being a good defender.

    I guess you didn't watch much of Bruce Bowen or looked at his stats? I assume you rate defenders like the media does and only go off of steals and blocks, which is why Bruce and Tim didn't win any of those awards when they should have as they were two of the best defenders in the world when in their primes.

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    KA isn't nearly as bad or slow as some on here are saying. He's already shown improvement in just a few preseason games. He'll be part of the rotation this season. Another Spurs draft steal.
    Sounds good, I wish I could see these preseason games to see the kid in action.

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    I dont get all the slowness thing of course he is no Tony Parker or Damian Lillard but at the same time dude is not Escalade, nothing explosive yeah but not a turtle by any means.

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    If I was coaching him I wouldn't let him loaf around on defense. I'd demand he play defense, especially if I knew that he was capable of it. He can play defense, but for some reason doesn't try, but that's OK with me since he's not on the Spurs team.

    And that's a silly question. A 25ppg scorer, for a minimum contract? Of course I'd take him, I'd surround him with decent defensive players.



    Steals and block don't really mean anything in regards to a player being a good defender.

    I guess you didn't watch much of Bruce Bowen or looked at his stats? I assume you rate defenders like the media does and only go off of steals and blocks, which is why Bruce and Tim didn't win any of those awards when they should have as they were two of the best defenders in the world when in their primes.
    Steals and Blocks are the canary in the coal mine of defensive stats. If a player is consistently logging these stats, they are indicators that they are putting forth at least some efforts at some of the other invisible stats. A player that blocks 2 shots a game, for example, has probably altered several others.

    In addition, Anderson is a good defensive rebounder. A defensive rebound would have won us another championship the first time around with the Heat.

    That stuff is all real defense.

    Duncan blocked a lot of shots and altered a lot of shots, and changed the way offenses schemed because of it...

    No, it's not on the ball defense, but it is defense, relevant, and helpful.

    That being said, hopefully he can improve his on the ball D at least a little as well.

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    In other news, Cavs looked pretty impressive against the Bulls tonight. And they should only get better.

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    But he'll never make it in the NBA

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    I like these new warm-up uni's tbh. Kind of have a retro feel to 'em, circa 2001.






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    In other news, Cavs looked pretty impressive against the Bulls tonight. And they should only get better.
    Bulls overrated like usual.

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    Hopefully Errors doesn't get the Bonner treatment.
    Huh?

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    Kyle looks good. Still gets a bit lost on D sometimes, but he has good court vision. The Slo-Mo nickname probably has something to do with how smooth he plays like Eric Clapton is called Slowhand.

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    Steals and Blocks are the canary in the coal mine of defensive stats. If a player is consistently logging these stats, they are indicators that they are putting forth at least some efforts at some of the other invisible stats. A player that blocks 2 shots a game, for example, has probably altered several others.

    In addition, Anderson is a good defensive rebounder. A defensive rebound would have won us another championship the first time around with the Heat.

    That stuff is all real defense.

    Duncan blocked a lot of shots and altered a lot of shots, and changed the way offenses schemed because of it...

    No, it's not on the ball defense, but it is defense, relevant, and helpful.

    That being said, hopefully he can improve his on the ball D at least a little as well.
    I'll give you blocks, but not steals as an indicator of good defense. I think you really need to watch the games and see how those stats are ac ulated because looking at a piece of paper with steal and block stats don't always tell the story of it being good defense.

    Steals for example, a player can be an average defender and still rack up steals if they're constantly leaving their man to try and get a steal in the passing lane. Similar thing with blocks. The downside of both these types of defensive play is that you can get burned and your primary defensive assignment can get an easy bucket out of it if your gamble doesn't pay off.

    For blocks, someone like Serge Ibaka is a good example. This guy gets a lot of blocks (especially weakside blocks), but he's not the best one on one defender in the NBA. You can still score on him if you're a good offensive player. He's on the extreme end of the scale though as his blocks and shot alterations can/do make a difference is games defensively. Kyle Anderson is nowhere near that level with a few steals and a couple of blocks in a preseason game.
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    Nice triple double by Cousins ...

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    Daye has hit 8-18 three pointers in the preseason, good for 44%. If he can keep that up he can actually make use of that roster spot

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    In other news, Cavs looked pretty impressive against the Bulls tonight. And they should only get better.
    Well, when Lebron makes it an utmost requirement to have a dream team built around him each year, you'd expect his teams to be impressive.

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    Many useless years as a Spur.

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