Peter Holt and Red McCombs willing to invest in the Oakland Raiders ...

[BatManu20]

[Chinook]

Never gonna consider BR reputable. Will just never do it.

[Spurs9]

Do you know where the stadium is going to be build. They are building it in Universal City, about 30 minutes from downtown SA. It will only be about 45 miles from Austin. And the propose rail system between SA and Austin more than likely will be built if the Raiders do move to SA/Austin. This will basically allow commuters from Austin to get to games almost hassle free.

http://www.transystems.com/Home/News...stin-Fina.aspx

All this is in the works. So SA/Aus area has a lot to offer an NFL franchise. Oakland is just a bunch of minorities as well with one of the highest crime rates in the country.

Where do you see they are building a stadium in UC tbh?

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

That's not a plan. That's at best an outline. Who's going to pay the billion it will take to build a stadium good enough to keep Davis from wanting to move the team in a few years? Who's going to pay for the rest of the upgrades? What about marketing, corporate partnerships, transportation? These are things that have been worked out in the LA plans FOR YEARS. SA is really behind the eight-ball, and they're even further behind if they expect the Raiders to be a regional team with a market larger than most states.

That doesn't even mention that you need a plan for the stadium to generate non-game revenue, and that's a lot harder if it's located outside of the city (or even the main metro area). I think a good deal of the events that would generate the money for other teams would conflict heavily with the AT&T Center or Jerry World. Nothing is clear yet.

SSE already pledge 300mil to the Stadium. I believe McCombs and others have as well.I believe the total pledge was round 700mil plus. And the stadium projected to cost between 1bn to 1.3 bn. I assume the NFL will still give 100mil for the stadium. Davis said he would spend 300mil. So not too much difference needs to be made up at this point. It's all in the articles. Read through all of them. I know I don't want to. SSE, McCombs, COC of SA and others already said they would spend 100mil + to renovate the Alamodome as well.

The rail system in play is being pushed forward with or without an NFL team. Traffic between Aus and SA is horrendous already. That would be huge plus for transit.

As far as events, I guess this new stadium will be hosting a College playoff game, a Bowl game, future Final Fours Women/Men and other events that the Alamodome has held in the past.

Jerry said he wouldn't block the move as well, but that remains to be seen. The fact that the Raiders will remain an AFC team, it wouldn't cut too much into Jerry finances just like Texans didn't when Houston got a new franchise. I will just buy merchandise of both team if that happens.

Cisneros said they have been putting together this plan for years, even before the Raiders were looking. That is why it was Cisneros who brought it to Davis once he heard the Raider were looking to relocate. I believe him b/c everyone privy to it said THE PLAN they had was beyond stellar. So obviously it wasn't a bunch of horse crap they were feeding Davis.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Jerry already said he wouldn't block it. Honestly, he will maintain my loyalty as a fan if he doesn't, that is if Davis wants to move to SA/Aus. All of Texas outside of Houston area (even then some) will still be Cowboy fans. Raiders would just give South Texas an AFC team to root for.

[Chinook]

SSE already pledge 300mil to the Stadium. I believe McCombs and others have as well.I believe the total pledge was round 700mil plus. And the stadium projected to cost between 1bn to 1.3 bn. I assume the NFL will still give 100mil for the stadium. Davis said he would spend 300mil. So not too much difference needs to be made up at this point. It's all in the articles. Read through all of them. I know I don't want to. SSE, McCombs, COC of SA and others already said they would spend 100mil + to renovate the Alamodome as well.

The rail system in play is being pushed forward with or without an NFL team. Traffic between Aus and SA is horrendous already. That would be huge plus for transit.

As far as events, I guess this new stadium will be hosting a College playoff game, a Bowl game, future Final Fours Women/Men and other events that the Alamodome has held in the past.

Jerry said he wouldn't block the move as well, but that remains to be seen. The fact that the Raiders will remain an AFC team, it wouldn't cut too much into Jerry finances just like Texans didn't when Houston got a new franchise. I will just buy merchandise of both team if that happens.

Cisneros said they have been putting together this plan for years, even before the Raiders were looking. That is why it was Cisneros who brought it to Davis once he heard the Raider were looking to relocate. I believe him b/c everyone privy to it said THE PLAN they had was beyond stellar. So obviously it wasn't a bunch of horse crap they were feeding Davis.

So we're supposed to assume that the new Raiders stadium would be 100-percent privately funded? That's a stretch, but even if it's true, what is the cost of those donations? You're talking about other guys spending two-to-three times as much as Davis is. That's going to come with some ownership stakes. How much will Mark be willing to give up?

As far as the "plan" being solid goes, I'll believe it when I see it. This is way too big on a project to keep under wraps, and there's almost no reason to keep it secret, since the whole goal of it is to encourage teams to consider SA a viable market. They should be screaming their heads off about how they have everything together. They don't just have to convince Davis. They have to convince Spanos and the other owners as well. And if there's any public money coming in (which there is, because that transportation system isn't building itself), you're gonna have to get the people to vote on it.

[Chinook]

Jerry already said he wouldn't block it. Honestly, he will maintain my loyalty as a fan if he doesn't, that is if Davis wants to move to SA/Aus. All of Texas outside of Houston area (even then some) will still be Cowboy fans. Raiders would just give South Texas an AFC team to root for.

We're talking about from Austin south into the northern states of Mexico (and even La Ciudad). The fans there won't all defect from Dallas, but they'll be in compe ion. Jerry will still have down to Austin and most of the Great Plains, but he's definitely going to have his market share threatened.

Will be interesting to see if SA and AZ would become natural pre-season rivals with a game in Mexico every August. Just seems to make too much sense.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

So we're supposed to assume that the new Raiders stadium would be 100-percent privately funded? That's a stretch, but even if it's true, what is the cost of those donations? You're talking about other guys spending two-to-three times as much as Davis is. That's going to come with some ownership stakes. How much will Mark be willing to give up?

As far as the "plan" being solid goes, I'll believe it when I see it. This is way too big on a project to keep under wraps, and there's almost no reason to keep it secret, since the whole goal of it is to encourage teams to consider SA a viable market. They should be screaming their heads off about how they have everything together. They don't just have to convince Davis. They have to convince Spanos and the other owners as well. And if there's any public money coming in (which there is, because that transportation system isn't building itself), you're gonna have to get the people to vote on it.

No, the city of San Antonio (chamber of commerce) said it could raise over 300 mill as well according to the articles. I heard one thing Davis didn't like that SSE pledge came with a contingent that they would buy into the ownership as well. I don't see Davis minding at this point as it won't be a large portion and plus SSE has proven they know how to make a winning team, definitely a partner you would want to have.

That is why the survey that went out. It covered support for the team as well as if people would cover the cost of building a new stadium if an NFL team was brought to SA. The vast majority said yes.

I read about 40 articles on this and I honestly don't want to reread them all. I even read articles about the situation in Oakland that definitely isn't good. But all this information is in those articles. Just go back and read them all to get a better picture of what was proposed to Davis last year.

[BatManu20]

[Chinook]

Lol

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

We're talking about from Austin south into the northern states of Mexico (and even La Ciudad). The fans there won't all defect from Dallas, but they'll be in compe ion. Jerry will still have down to Austin and most of the Great Plains, but he's definitely going to have his market share threatened.

Will be interesting to see if SA and AZ would become natural pre-season rivals with a game in Mexico every August. Just seems to make too much sense.

I won't either despite how crapping the Boys have been of late. Raider will be an AFC team, so no conflict really would exist. Just one game every 4 years and if both teams meet in the SuperBowl. I am sure you know, Texas is a football state. Can't get enough of it. Having the Raiders would give Texans more football they already craved.

[spurraider21]

Never gonna consider BR reputable. Will just never do it.

BR is overall bad but Jason Cole has a decent reputation. He was a yahoo sports guy before joining BR.

Jerry's desire to keep the Raiders out of Texas is going to be tricky for him since he is one of the major reasons/influences that kept the Raiders from moving to LA, plus the league has said the raiders will get "favorable consideration" for future relocation bids. I do agree that they are a long way from having an actual offer, and I doubt they'll get anything done in time for the Raiders to play in Texas in 2016.

My best guess is the Raiders re-up at O.Co for 1 more season and move in time for the 2017 season. Don't know if that will be in Texas or elsewhere, but I can't see them sitting on their hands and not having something done a year from now.

[yavozerb]

I am probably 2 minutes from Universal City. I cannot think of one good spot for a stadium.

retama park is probably the best area in my opinion..

[TheGreatYacht]

Jerry Jones won't allow San Antonio to have an NFL team, and you gots will still give him money by buying jerseys with a gay blue star.

They'll help the Mavs recruit free agents before they even think of helping the Spurs

the Cowboys.

[boutons_deux]

That's not a plan. That's at best an outline. Who's going to pay the billion it will take to build a stadium good enough to keep Davis from wanting to move the team in a few years? Who's going to pay for the rest of the upgrades? What about marketing, corporate partnerships, transportation? These are things that have been worked out in the LA plans FOR YEARS. SA is really behind the eight-ball, and they're even further behind if they expect the Raiders to be a regional team with a market larger than most states.

That doesn't even mention that you need a plan for the stadium to generate non-game revenue, and that's a lot harder if it's located outside of the city (or even the main metro area). I think a good deal of the events that would generate the money for other teams would conflict heavily with the AT&T Center or Jerry World. Nothing is clear yet.

Oakland taxpayers are still paying the bonds for the Raiders stadium, and will be when the Raiders leave.

[Chinook]

Oakland taxpayers are still paying the bonds for the Raiders stadium, and will be when the Raiders leave.

Yeah. That's why it's not just as simple as saying "The City has pledged this much money." Austin rejected and tabled EXTREMELY NECESSARY transportation reform. I don't know how much they'd be willing to kick in for a stadium or even the regional rail system needed to make Austin a viable fan base to attend STR (going with that acronym for the time being) games. A "poll" means VERY little.

[SoonerSpur512]

Jerry Jones won't allow San Antonio to have an NFL team, and you gots will still give him money by buying jerseys with a gay blue star.

They'll help the Mavs recruit free agents before they even think of helping the Spurs

the Cowboys.

What power does JJ really have to block a move to SA? He's one vote. It only takes 24 to approve a move

[random21]

Jerry Jones won't allow San Antonio to have an NFL team, and you gots will still give him money by buying jerseys with a gay blue star.

They'll help the Mavs recruit free agents before they even think of helping the Spurs

the Cowboys.

Cant agree more

[BatManu20]

The internet is quick with these things

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[Twisted_Dawg]

I am probably 2 minutes from Universal City. I cannot think of one good spot for a stadium.

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Agreed!

[Twisted_Dawg]

retama park is probably the best area in my opinion..

That is located in Selma.