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    I don't care what he did in the past. He also disappeared against the Heat when we needed him and they started to actually guard him. If we are going to be all about what he did in the past Parker is a finals MVP. Why does he raked over the coals and DG doesn't? Dbl standard. DG ing us is ok because of what he's done in the past. TP is the worst PG of all time because he had a poor showing even tho he was hurt.

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    Wait. DG is an elite defender? Seriously? How many votes did he get? Paul, Rid and Barnes killed us with their threes. He got torched over and over.

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    I don't care what he did in the past. He also disappeared against the Heat when we needed him and they started to actually guard him. If we are going to be all about what he did in the past Parker is a finals MVP. Why does he raked over the coals and DG doesn't? Dbl standard. DG ing us is ok because of what he's done in the past. TP is the worst PG of all time because he had a poor showing even tho he was hurt.
    Green had a great regular season, 3rd best on the team, followed by a poor shooting stretch in the Clippers series..Parker was terrible all year and is getting paid 13 mil per year..

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    Exactly, some people here are delirious.

    In an ideal world without salary cap rules, you may try to find the perfect fit at the 2. But despite his flaws, Green is elite (top 10% at his position) in a few areas of his game (defense - versatility/on-ball/blocks, 3pt shooting) and it's very hard to replace.

    We live in a world with a salary cap though, and it's going to be VERY hard to replace Green within salary cap confines if the team is chasing Aldridge and/or retaining Tim/Manu. If operating below the cap, even if you do not tender CoJo/Baynes and renounce other non-Kawhi free agents, you're at $41.4 million for six players (+/- $25 million to spend minus cap holds for roster spots). Not very much considering Duncan likely comes back at least at $8 million (down to $17 million).

    I'd much rather have that $25 million reduced by Green's $7.6 million cap hold with a deal in place once other free agency moves take place than to try to find a replacement with limited cap space.
    Agreed 100% man. Some think we can just sign Kawhi to the max and get Tim back etc., and then get a Max FA! It doesn't work like that. Green will command some good money if you want to keep him here so that is a chunk off as well, plus Manu if he returns? You have to key on your guys first and then go from there IMO, the team has some valuable parts and Green on the wing is one of them, whether people know it or not.

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    Agreed 100% man. Some think we can just sign Kawhi to the max and get Tim back etc., and then get a Max FA! It doesn't work like that. Green will command some good money if you want to keep him here so that is a chunk off as well, plus Manu if he returns? You have to key on your guys first and then go from there IMO, the team has some valuable parts and Green on the wing is one of them, whether people know it or not.
    It's not like disenchanted fans are hatching a plan based on some cliff-jumping blow it up strategy that has no basis in reality. There have been multiple rumors about the Spurs targeting Gasol and/or Aldridge this offseason. Pop, himself, said the roster was going to look very different and was in need of retooling. He told Manu they have a plan. Then you look at Danny, who is an unrestricted free agent. He has the highest value on the market of any Spurs player excluding Kawhi. Add it up and you'll see just how realistic the scenario is that Danny is not in their plans if they're truly pushing for another max guy.

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    Green is somewhat of a mystery to me. As a shooter he is streaky, and I think maybe his defense is too. Is he really a Tony Allen, Bruce Bowen level defender? I don't think so, but he tries.

    Spurs have to change something up, and if most everyone comes back the best option us a new SG. They need someone who can attack the rim, since Parker and Ginobili are old and Leonard is inconsistent. Green has become a better player than anyone predicted, but the Spurs might want more offense from that position.

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    If Green doesn't come back then Tim might as well call it a career

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    I'd rather have Tony Allen than Danny green on this team. He is not a top priority for this team. Spurs need to address other players and if Green is still around and doesn't command too much salary then we can re-sign him. Otherwise let him walk and bring in another body.

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    Green leaving isn't a problem if they replace him with someone better.

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    I'd rather have Tony Allen than Danny green on this team. He is not a top priority for this team. Spurs need to address other players and if Green is still around and doesn't command too much salary then we can re-sign him. Otherwise let him walk and bring in another body.

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    Green leaving isn't a problem if they replace him with someone better.
    yeah same for TD tbh

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    I'd rather have Tony Allen than Danny green on this team. He is not a top priority for this team. Spurs need to address other players and if Green is still around and doesn't command too much salary then we can re-sign him. Otherwise let him walk and bring in another body.
    What a ing re

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    longtimespurfan has to be a troll tbh. if he's a real spurs fan then gaw damn

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    He had a great series, but that is exactly what's so maddening about Danny. The guy flashes brilliance but can't put it together consistently on either side of the ball. You can call people names and act like everyone who doesn't hold your position is unintelligent, but that doesn't make it true or you right.
    Wait do you expect him to never go through shooting slumps? Even the Big Two have had subpar series in the past. Obviously Danny, who is a lesser player, will struggle at times too. But he's done enough in his time here to be considered a proven player, especially defensively.

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    Originally Posted by 100%duncan
    If Green doesn't come back then Tim might as well call it a career

    Let's be a little more dramatic. Danny didnt show up for the Clippers series and Spurs lost. So why in the would you think that having Green is integral to Tim winning again?

    2 players showed up during the playoffs CONSISTENTLY = Tim and Patty. You get one more guy to show up THE ENTIRE SERIES, then Spurs win. Danny Green should not command millions from the Spurs. We all see how the last SEVERAL overpaid Spurs have played... we have 2 on the team now with Splitter and Tony. Green mentally weak, cant be consistent on offense, acts like a on D when his shot struggles.

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    People who think Green is overrated, who do you think is carrying the Spurs' defense? I'd really like to know lmao.

    The 3 best defenders by far this year were TD/Green/KL.

    As good as TD is, he can easily become a defensive liability once you get him out the paint, high screen and roll all day on him, his other defensive skills are irrelevant in that situation. He also benefits from help defense, Green/KY are elite help defenders, especially with Green's shot blocking that adds a big dimension to our paint defense. They swarm the post player, the defensive combo is too much, the post player passes out or gets stripped.

    Manu's defensive rating looks great, but he's probably a slightly above average defender at best. He comes off the bench and almost never really defends the primary ball handler, that's Green or KY. He plays solid defense but it's not anything that special.

    Splitter has been average at best this year, just injured too much. He too benefits greatly from KY/Green's help defense.

    Diaw's defense really fell off this year due to fatigue, he's been getting abused out there this year. Bonner/Ayres/Baynes are pretty bad defenders.
    Parker+Belli kill rebounding, transition, help, basically all facets of defense. Cojo doesn't see enough mins and is at times a liability, Mills also tends to gamble too much.

    Most of this team is glued to the floor, can't get out and run and make athletic defensive plays. Just look at the roster. People are overrating everyone else's defense.

    LAC beat us with their constant high screen and rolls, rebounding (Parker+Belli were getting tossed around like rag dolls) and you've got Splitter/Diaw/TD glued to the floor while guys simply jumped over them so every board was a struggle. When you have Parker+Belli on the floor, you're basically rebounding 3 v 5 or 2 v 5 depending on who the bigs are.


    Spurs were still able to maintain an elite defense this year for a reason. TD will be burned out by season's end without that perimeter defense slowing down the perimeter players, acting as funnels making his job much easier.

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    Originally Posted by 100%duncan
    If Green doesn't come back then Tim might as well call it a career

    Let's be a little more dramatic. Danny didnt show up for the Clippers series and Spurs lost. So why in the would you think that having Green is integral to Tim winning again?

    2 players showed up during the playoffs CONSISTENTLY = Tim and Patty. You get one more guy to show up THE ENTIRE SERIES, then Spurs win. Danny Green should not command millions from the Spurs. We all see how the last SEVERAL overpaid Spurs have played... we have 2 on the team now with Splitter and Tony. Green mentally weak, cant be consistent on offense, acts like a on D when his shot struggles.
    27 years old and can't dribble or make a layup and Spurs fans wanna give him 10 millions dollars. WTF

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    27 years old and can't dribble or make a layup and Spurs fans wanna give him 10 millions dollars. WTF
    We should bring in someone that can score more and has awesome handles instead. Go back to being an elite offensive team with average defense like the '11 team. That worked out really well tbh.

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    Boris Diaw just need to lose more weight and will be our starting SF, Kawhi will start at SG...DG ca hit the road if he demands $10 million/ year😃

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    Again it's a what have you done for me lately league. Regular season counts for in the playoffs. He's done this disappearing act before in the playoffs. If you can only do one thing well and you don't do it when we need it most. You're useless. A starter basically gone just like that. It wasn't just a poor shooting stretch, he was terrible. Got torched, tried in vain to drive to the basket and turned the ball over.. Parker was terrible too but if everyone can bash Parker, DG shouldn't be exempt. He's very replaceable.

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    It's not like disenchanted fans are hatching a plan based on some cliff-jumping blow it up strategy that has no basis in reality. There have been multiple rumors about the Spurs targeting Gasol and/or Aldridge this offseason. Pop, himself, said the roster was going to look very different and was in need of retooling. He told Manu they have a plan. Then you look at Danny, who is an unrestricted free agent. He has the highest value on the market of any Spurs player excluding Kawhi. Add it up and you'll see just how realistic the scenario is that Danny is not in their plans if they're truly pushing for another max guy.
    If they pursue another max guy then they do, he is not in their plans for the future. He did say the roster was going to look different and I expect that, Green was a big part of those two runs to the Finals though and honestly I would like to see him stay because he fits in well. I doubt they lure Gasol but Aldridge is a? Even then if they have two max guys sign what will they have left? Tim will re-sign IMO but who do they lose? Trade Tiago? Let Green go?
    Boris Diaw just need to lose more weight and will be our starting SF, Kawhi will start at SG...DG ca hit the road if he demands $10 million/ year😃
    Backup SG? Beli? I agree if he demands that much GOODBYE, someone just might give him that too.

    Again it's a what have you done for me lately league. Regular season counts for in the playoffs. He's done this disappearing act before in the playoffs. If you can only do one thing well and you don't do it when we need it most. You're useless. A starter basically gone just like that. It wasn't just a poor shooting stretch, he was terrible. Got torched, tried in vain to drive to the basket and turned the ball over.. Parker was terrible too but if everyone can bash Parker, DG shouldn't be exempt. He's very replaceable.
    With who and for what price? He has had some great playoff series as well and hit big shots in the finals runs like I said, played some great D at times as well on players. I don't discount that based on one series this year, his value is pretty good and if he is had a decent price then why not? If someone offers him a big contract though you have to seriously think about letting him go and replace him with someone but who? Who is a FA at the 2?

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    Green leaving isn't a problem if they replace him with someone better.
    Someone bold this guy! Genius take.

    Why hasn't RC thought of this ?

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