Spurs Shopping Splitter

[Steve-O-Matic]

Since Philly is stockpiling centers, we should trade Splitter for the rights to Dario Saric.

That won't be enough for Sam Hinkie. We'd have to include a 2nd round pick in 2037 as well to get it done.

[Chinook]

I do wonder if Boston drafted Rozier because that's who the Spurs wanted for Splitter. It seems possible to me. He's a short SG, but he's a defensive specialist, kinda like an Avery Bradley. Would be great to put next to Manu and Anderson.

Spurs manage to execute a S&T for Aldridge using Mills, Williams and Splitter. That would allow the team to take back $18.5 Million in salary, so almost what LMA's max is. Spurs shunt off Splitter to Boston for the rights to Rozier. They trade Mills to some other team (IDK maybe LA for Nance now that he and Kobe don't seem like they're going to work out or Pacers for Young and a future second or Atlanta for a future first). They give Portland a first and the rights to Thomas or Bertans while sending back no salary.

Then they tender/re-sign Joseph, Baynes and Leonard. Then they re-sign Green, Ginobili and Duncan.

PG: Parker, Joseph, Rozier
SG: Green, Ginobili, some scrub like Hanga
SF: Leonard, Anderson, LJC
PF: Aldridge, Diaw, Nance
C: Duncan, Baynes, LaLanne.

That team is probably pushing the apron. But that's just what you have to do during Tim's last year or two. Tons or room to grow.

[raybies]

I do wonder if Boston drafted Rozier because that's who the Spurs wanted for Splitter. It seems possible to me. He's a short SG, but he's a defensive specialist, kinda like an Avery Bradley. Would be great to put next to Manu and Anderson.

Spurs manage to execute a S&T for Aldridge using Mills, Williams and Splitter. That would allow the team to take back $18.5 Million in salary, so almost what LMA's max is. Spurs shunt off Splitter to Boston for the rights to Rozier. They trade Mills to some other team (IDK maybe LA for Nance now that he and Kobe don't seem like they're going to work out or Pacers for Young and a future second or Atlanta for a future first). They give Portland a first and the rights to Thomas or Bertans while sending back no salary.

Then they tender/re-sign Joseph, Baynes and Leonard. Then they re-sign Green, Ginobili and Duncan.

PG: Parker, Joseph, Rozier
SG: Green, Ginobili, some scrub like Hanga
SF: Leonard, Anderson, LJC
PF: Aldridge, Diaw, Nance
C: Duncan, Baynes, LaLanne.

That team is probably pushing the apron. But that's just what you have to do during Tim's last year or two. Tons or room to grow.

Nice scenario. This offseason could be really exciting. A lot could happen. Can't wait.

[Chinook]

The idea for Boston, btb, would be that they're apparently looking for a true center to try to round out their roster to pursue Love. Getting Splitter locked in a $8.5 Million is probably a lot more attractive for them than paying Robin Lopez $15 Million and potentially having to may some team a first or two to move Wallace to open up max cap space again.

I'd probably take Hunter and Thornton for Splitter instead of Rozier if need be, especially since those guys don't count for much against the cap. A Splitter for Hunter trade shaves off $7.7 Million from the cap.

[Ditty]

I do wonder if Boston drafted Rozier because that's who the Spurs wanted for Splitter. It seems possible to me. He's a short SG, but he's a defensive specialist, kinda like an Avery Bradley. Would be great to put next to Manu and Anderson.

Spurs manage to execute a S&T for Aldridge using Mills, Williams and Splitter. That would allow the team to take back $18.5 Million in salary, so almost what LMA's max is. Spurs shunt off Splitter to Boston for the rights to Rozier. They trade Mills to some other team (IDK maybe LA for Nance now that he and Kobe don't seem like they're going to work out or Pacers for Young and a future second or Atlanta for a future first). They give Portland a first and the rights to Thomas or Bertans while sending back no salary.

Then they tender/re-sign Joseph, Baynes and Leonard. Then they re-sign Green, Ginobili and Duncan.

PG: Parker, Joseph, Rozier
SG: Green, Ginobili, some scrub like Hanga
SF: Leonard, Anderson, LJC
PF: Aldridge, Diaw, Nance
C: Duncan, Baynes, LaLanne.

That team is probably pushing the apron. But that's just what you have to do during Tim's last year or two. Tons or room to grow.

Chinook I proposed this sign and trade in the LA thread, is this possible?

Love to Portland, Splitter to Cleveland, Aldridge and Kaun to SA, then Spurs re-signing Green, Leonard, Ginobili, Duncan, Joseph and Baynes

[Chinook]

Chinook I proposed this sign and trade in the LA thread, is this possible?

Love to Portland, Splitter to Cleveland, Aldridge and Kaun to SA, then Spurs re-signing Green, Leonard, Ginobili, Duncan, Joseph and Baynes

They would need to also include Mills and Williams to match salaries. If the Spurs are using cap space to sign Aldridge (which is the case in this scenario), then they need assets from Cleveland for Splitter, since SA gains nothing by agreeing to a sign-and-trade on it's own. Portland also gains nothing by doing this trade, so I doubt they go for it. The Cavs would have to pay both to make it happen, and of course they wouldn't, because they have the Haywood contract.

I'd consider this more viable.

Spurs trade Diaw and Mills to Cleveland for Christmas and Harris and two seconds to Portland for Aldridge.

Cleveland trades Christmas, Harris and Haywood for Mills and Diaw

Portland trades Aldridge ($17.5 Million) for Haywood, Reggie Williams, Harris and two seconds.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I do wonder if Boston drafted Rozier because that's who the Spurs wanted for Splitter. It seems possible to me. He's a short SG, but he's a defensive specialist, kinda like an Avery Bradley. Would be great to put next to Manu and Anderson.

Spurs manage to execute a S&T for Aldridge using Mills, Williams and Splitter. That would allow the team to take back $18.5 Million in salary, so almost what LMA's max is. Spurs shunt off Splitter to Boston for the rights to Rozier. They trade Mills to some other team (IDK maybe LA for Nance now that he and Kobe don't seem like they're going to work out or Pacers for Young and a future second or Atlanta for a future first). They give Portland a first and the rights to Thomas or Bertans while sending back no salary.

Then they tender/re-sign Joseph, Baynes and Leonard. Then they re-sign Green, Ginobili and Duncan.

PG: Parker, Joseph, Rozier
SG: Green, Ginobili, some scrub like Hanga
SF: Leonard, Anderson, LJC
PF: Aldridge, Diaw, Nance
C: Duncan, Baynes, LaLanne.

That team is probably pushing the apron. But that's just what you have to do during Tim's last year or two. Tons or room to grow.

Signing Duncan and Gino is guaranteed to be a reduction from what their hold is. The question is how much. They can do that at any point they like.

[Chinook]

Signing Duncan and Gino is guaranteed to be a reduction from what their hold is. The question is how much. They can do that at any point they like.

In the scenario you quoted, the holds don't matter, because the Spurs never go under the cap. That's the whole reason why they give Portland assets.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

In the scenario you quoted, the holds don't matter, because the Spurs never go under the cap. That's the whole reason why they give Portland assets.

Either way, Gino and Duncan are likely to resign or retire before any other moves are made. I just hope that the ownership group is willing to pay some luxury tax before the cap balloons. If they are using next seasons cap figure being under that luxury tax threshold as the benchmark they could put together a pretty nice roster in this years dollars.

[Chinook]

Either way, Gino and Duncan are likely to resign or retire before any other moves are made. I just hope that the ownership group is willing to pay some luxury tax before the cap balloons. If they are using next seasons cap figure being under that luxury tax threshold as the benchmark they could put together a pretty nice roster in this years dollars.

I think they'd be willing to go up to the apron for that team, since it might be Tim's last year. And going that high might be necessary depending on what everyone wants. Trading Mills in the S&T, even if a guy like Rozier comes back pretty much makes Joseph a must-keep. Even if they let Baynes go, you'd think getting a strong center would be a priority for them to back up Duncan. So they'll probably have to spend there as well.

One year of first-level tax would probably be worth it, especially since it's possible that the Spurs would actually have max cap space in 2016 even in this scenario.

[TD 21]

I do wonder if Boston drafted Rozier because that's who the Spurs wanted for Splitter. It seems possible to me. He's a short SG, but he's a defensive specialist, kinda like an Avery Bradley. Would be great to put next to Manu and Anderson.

Spurs manage to execute a S&T for Aldridge using Mills, Williams and Splitter. That would allow the team to take back $18.5 Million in salary, so almost what LMA's max is. Spurs shunt off Splitter to Boston for the rights to Rozier. They trade Mills to some other team (IDK maybe LA for Nance now that he and Kobe don't seem like they're going to work out or Pacers for Young and a future second or Atlanta for a future first). They give Portland a first and the rights to Thomas or Bertans while sending back no salary.

Then they tender/re-sign Joseph, Baynes and Leonard. Then they re-sign Green, Ginobili and Duncan.

PG: Parker, Joseph, Rozier
SG: Green, Ginobili, some scrub like Hanga
SF: Leonard, Anderson, LJC
PF: Aldridge, Diaw, Nance
C: Duncan, Baynes, LaLanne.

That team is probably pushing the apron. But that's just what you have to do during Tim's last year or two. Tons or room to grow.

But if the Spurs keep Joseph and lose Mills, I'd imagine they'd want a third PG in the mold of Mills, not Joseph. And Rozier would be a terrible fit next to Ginobili and Anderson, as it would leave the 2nd unit without a knockdown shooter and much scoring in general.

Hunter and one of their 37 2nds due in the next few years, that projects to be in the 30's, would be a better return. A chance at two back end rotation players, one of whom could fill an immediate hole.

The Celtics seem desperate though. I could easily see them overpaying R. Lopez or Koufos.

The following is probably the best case scenario . . .

Aldridge/Diaw
Leonard/Anderson
Duncan/Baynes
Green/Ginobili
Parker/Joseph

Some minimum options to flesh out roster: Bonner, Jenkins, Larkin, Jordan, Cotton (if waived), Hamilton (Justin, if waived), Franklin (if waived).

[Chinook]

But if the Spurs keep Joseph and lose Mills, I'd imagine they'd want a third PG in the mold of Mills, not Joseph.

Nah. I don't think they're looking to run the back-up PG spot by committee again. I would imagine Rozier sits on the bench for a year or two.

And Rozier would be a terrible fit next to Ginobili and Anderson, as it would leave the 2nd unit without a knockdown shooter and much scoring in general.

It would gain in penetration in defensive flexibility, though. Rozier, LJC and LaLane are all guys who have the chance to be plus defenders and could get spot minutes during the regular season due to that. Ideally, when Manu leaves the Spurs would look for a shooter to take that spot.

Hunter and one of their 37 2nds due in the next few years, that projects to be in the 30's, would be a better return. A chance at two back end rotation players, one of whom could fill an immediate hole.

I don't hate the idea of Hunter at all, obviously, but I'd want something more than just a nameless second, though. Maybe even Minny's first, since that's almost guaranteed to be two high seconds and as a result is the least valuable to Boston's upcoming picks.

The Celtics seem desperate though. I could easily see them overpaying R. Lopez or Koufos.

I think that's their plan right now. But they want that center to try to lure Love, so they can't or at least shouldn't spend so much money that they have to pay more just to move Wallace. Splitter is cheap enough to keep flexibility.

The following is probably the best case scenario . . .

Aldridge/Diaw
Leonard/Anderson
Duncan/Baynes
Green/Ginobili
Parker/Joseph

That and they'd still have the full MLE and LLE up until they reach the apron. They can get a wing to spell Manu and Anderson and/or a big if they don't feel comfortable with Baynes behind Tim.

Some minimum options to flesh out roster: Bonner, Jenkins, Larkin, Jordan, Cotton (if waived), Hamilton (Justin, if waived), Franklin (if waived).

They'll also have their picks to sign, however many that ends up being.

[Biggems]

You are clueless. We know that the Spurs rebuffed offers for him on draft night. It is clear to anyone with half a brain that the Spurs will be doing a sign -and -trade for Aldridge using Splitter. This may give them the chance to keep Green.

so what do you predict the terms of the sign and trade to be? hopefully we can keep Mills. I doubt we can do Splitter for Aldridge straight up...other components will probably be involved.

I would like to sign Joseph and send them Splitter and Joseph for LA. They get two quality defensive players and we get LA.

[TD 21]

Nah. I don't think they're looking to run the back-up PG spot by committee again. I would imagine Rozier sits on the bench for a year or two.



It would gain in penetration in defensive flexibility, though. Rozier, LJC and LaLane are all guys who have the chance to be plus defenders and could get spot minutes during the regular season due to that. Ideally, when Manu leaves the Spurs would look for a shooter to take that spot.



I don't hate the idea of Hunter at all, obviously, but I'd want something more than just a nameless second, though. Maybe even Minny's first, since that's almost guaranteed to be two high seconds and as a result is the least valuable to Boston's upcoming picks.



I think that's their plan right now. But they want that center to try to lure Love, so they can't or at least shouldn't spend so much money that they have to pay more just to move Wallace. Splitter is cheap enough to keep flexibility.



That and they'd still have the full MLE and LLE up until they reach the apron. They can get a wing to spell Manu and Anderson and/or a big if they don't feel comfortable with Baynes behind Tim.



They'll also have their picks to sign, however many that ends up being.

I know he wouldn't be a rotation player next season. I'm speaking of duplication.

Balance is what's required, or at least a semblance thereof. Jean-Charles probably isn't coming over, or we'd have probably heard something by now and LaLane is probably going to be stashed.

If they could get Hunter and a projected high 2nd, that's pretty much the equivalent of two late 1sts. Should Splitter be worth more? Maybe. But he's injury prone, doesn't have the stamina to play true starters minutes and teams know the Spurs have to dump him (if Aldridge verbally agrees, of course), so they'd be hard pressed to do better.

I doubt Koufos' annual salary exceeds Splitter's, though.

In this scenario, the priority should be backup C, specifically someone with enough upside to serve as a placeholder starter when Duncan retires. They'd really only need a lesser Belinelli type on the wings.

[therealtruth]

I do wonder if Boston drafted Rozier because that's who the Spurs wanted for Splitter. It seems possible to me. He's a short SG, but he's a defensive specialist, kinda like an Avery Bradley. Would be great to put next to Manu and Anderson.

Spurs manage to execute a S&T for Aldridge using Mills, Williams and Splitter. That would allow the team to take back $18.5 Million in salary, so almost what LMA's max is. Spurs shunt off Splitter to Boston for the rights to Rozier. They trade Mills to some other team (IDK maybe LA for Nance now that he and Kobe don't seem like they're going to work out or Pacers for Young and a future second or Atlanta for a future first). They give Portland a first and the rights to Thomas or Bertans while sending back no salary.

Then they tender/re-sign Joseph, Baynes and Leonard. Then they re-sign Green, Ginobili and Duncan.

PG: Parker, Joseph, Rozier
SG: Green, Ginobili, some scrub like Hanga
SF: Leonard, Anderson, LJC
PF: Aldridge, Diaw, Nance
C: Duncan, Baynes, LaLanne.

That team is probably pushing the apron. But that's just what you have to do during Tim's last year or two. Tons or room to grow.

Nice lineup but what big man is going to defend the pick and roll, and the Blake Griffin's and Z-bo's?

[Chinook]

So what about this scenario?

Spurs trade Splitter to Boston for Rozier and Joseph to Toronto for Noguiera. Spurs rope Portland into the deal, making it a three-way with Noguiera, Thomas and a second going over to Portland in exchange for Aldridge. The the Spurs use the LLE to sign Neal and the MLE to sign Biyombo. They also bring Baynes back for another year. Then they re-sign Tim, Manu, Green and of course Leonard.

End up with this as their lineup:

Parker, Mills, Rozier
Green, Ginobili, Neal
Leonard, Anderson, LJC
Aldridge, Diaw, LaLanne
Duncan, Baynes, Biyombo

Seems like the best combo of skill-sets that you can hope for. Can compete for the next two season and leave almost nothing on the books for 2017:

Parker, Rozier
Green
Leonard, Anderson
LaLanne (RFA or third year or deal)
Maybe Biyombo

And two max slots

[DPG21920]

I'd rather have nothing if I were POR tbh..Also, I've heard nothing at all about LJC - I imagine we might hear more during SL?

But of course I would do that if I were SA. That would be a dream scenario for SA fans even if some pieces move (Neal, Bismack, etc..). That structure and use of assets would be incredible.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I'd rather have nothing if I were POR tbh..Also, I've heard nothing at all about LJC - I imagine we might hear more during SL?

But of course I would do that if I were SA. That would be a dream scenario for SA fans even if some pieces move (Neal, Bismack, etc..). That structure and use of assets would be incredible.

Is LJC recovering from some sort of injury? I'd imagine he's going to be at SL since his ASVEL coach will be there and his name wasn't listed on France's roster for int'l play this summer.

[Ditty]

Biyombo would be a really nice big man option that we would be missing if Splitter would be traded. He had a really solid game against us when we played the Hornets in Charlotte. This lineup would be really solid as Chinook mentioned.

Parker/Mills
Green/Manu
Leonard/Anderson
Aldridge/Diaw
Duncan/Biyombo

[palangi]

So what about this scenario?

Spurs trade Splitter to Boston for Rozier and Joseph to Toronto for Noguiera. Spurs rope Portland into the deal, making it a three-way with Noguiera, Thomas and a second going over to Portland in exchange for Aldridge. The the Spurs use the LLE to sign Neal and the MLE to sign Biyombo. They also bring Baynes back for another year. Then they re-sign Tim, Manu, Green and of course Leonard.

End up with this as their lineup:

Parker, Mills, Rozier
Green, Ginobili, Neal
Leonard, Anderson, LJC
Aldridge, Diaw, LaLanne
Duncan, Baynes, Biyombo

Seems like the best combo of skill-sets that you can hope for. Can compete for the next two season and leave almost nothing on the books for 2017:

Parker, Rozier
Green
Leonard, Anderson
LaLanne (RFA or third year or deal)
Maybe Biyombo

And two max slots

I would definitely be down for this.

[jesterbobman]

That kind of scenario is very appealing. Basically ideal in terms of maximising talent this year. Holt can pay once.

The key bit is trading Splitter for LMA in a 3 team deal, and Boston makes a lot of sense as the 3rd team given their lack of a centre. Of the pieces to come back from Boston, I'd prefer Hunter (plus pieces to go to Portland so that they accept), given it seems from where they drafted they prefer Rozier) to Rozier, as I think he's a better prospect by quite a bit.

It's an awkward fit PG D wise, but you just need a min 3rd PG, and there's a continuation of the # of skilled wing sized guys who can shoot and pass, and I'd guess that Hunter can be a Neal type PG. That's not ideal, but you can add the 3rd PG later in a future draft. I think Rozier Kills spacing quite a bit there. (though if Chip thinks he can fix his shot a bit, then Rozier works a lot better)

Other change I'd look at is O'Quinn in place of Biyombo at MLE. I think he works as a Splitter replacement much better, as a skilled offensive player who guards well, and meshes with what the Spurs want out of their Centres more in terms of ability to make passes with some skill. Plus, Borrego connection. I think O'Quinn can be a low end starting C, which could be really valuable in the 10 - 15 Games Duncan rests, and in 2 years.

That minor quibble in preferences aside, I love the idea.

[Baam]

I don't believe the "Celtics picked Rozier for the Spurs" theory.

Another team with too many PGs looking for a center is Milwaukee, they made a dumb trade for Greyvis Vasquez because Kidd wants 6"6 PGs exactly like him (soon enough he'll ask to be a player coach imo)...

Ennis + Plumlee for Splitter

And if they want to unload Boris, I think Detroit would be a terrific fit, I know they already traded their non garanteed deals for Ilyasova tho...

[CGD]

They're really shopping Diaw for a trade exception (Cavs, Nugs).

[Seventyniner]

They're really shopping Diaw for a trade exception (Cavs, Nugs).

This makes zero sense on several levels. The Cavs don't have cap space to absorb Diaw, which is what it would take to create a TE for the Spurs. If the Spurs decide to dump Diaw as part of salary-clearing for Aldridge, they wouldn't need a TE.

[CGD]

This makes zero sense on several levels. The Cavs don't have cap space to absorb Diaw, which is what it would take to create a TE for the Spurs. If the Spurs decide to dump Diaw as part of salary-clearing for Aldridge, they wouldn't need a TE.

If LMA is the play, moving Diaw is the least bad option between losing either him, Tiago, or Green.

Maybe TE was not the correct term for whatever would result from trading Diaw for Haywood's deal and then waiving Haywood to open the cap space. CLE doesn't need cap space to do that move, in fact, it's precisely because of their cap limitations that they have to make this type of trade in order to improve their roster.

If Gasol was in play (doesn't seem that way) then the least bad move is to move Tiago.