BULL
they beat a monarchy, to create a democracy Of The People.
well, your "reality" is a joke.
There's nothing in the 2nd Amendment that prohibits (severe) gun regulations, govt research on gun violence (now prohibited by NRA for 18 years), a national gun registry (to catch the bad guys, and bad dealers, and Good Guys who do bad things), etc, etc.
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Cons ution, Draft 1, 1776
"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787
"The Cons ution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and cons ute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Cons ution, October 10, 1787
"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778
"The Cons ution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Cons ution of the United States, 1833
"If the representatives of the people betray their cons uents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28
"[I]f cir stances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only subs ute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788
"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
- Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789
Need to be slapped anymore?
if it ain't in the Consitution or Federal laws, it's no more "law" than the Declaration of Independence.
go suck a big black hard one
Your original statement had all to do with an "laws" and everything to do with intent.
The founding fathers were indeed giving the citizens armed power as insurrectionists against the US govt.
Are we done with the whole "militia only gets guns" bull ?
who said that? civilian MILITIA gets muzzle-loading, single-shot guns guaranteed by the 2nd.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 12-17-2015 at 07:07 AM.
"A woman should live in quietness and full submission."
"If you reject my commands and abhor my laws, you will eat the flesh of your own sons. And your own daughters."
"I don't allow for a woman to teach. You will have to cut off her hand. Do not forgive her."
"If two men sleep with each other, they will both have to be killed."
http://www.upworthy.com/quran-passag...c8e7c04dbcc2ae
trashing some Repug judicial trash
Historian explains why Justice Clarence Thomas doesn’t understand the Second Amendment
The other week the Supreme Court denied certiorari in Friedman v. Highland Park, a Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals decision that left intact the city’s law that denied anyone in the community the ability to have assault weapons or large-capacity magazines. In a dissent from the denial of certiorari, Justice Clarence Thomas, joined by Justice Antonin Scalia, wrote that the other Justices refusal to review the case “flouts” the Court’s holdings in District of Columbia v. er and McDonald v. City of Chicago, and in doing so relegated the Second Amendment to a “second-class right.” What Justice Thomas found “doubly wrong” was the Court’s acquiescence to state and local governments deciding “which firearms [the] people may possess.”
What is particularly interesting about Justice Thomas’s dissent is it embodies aspects of both originalism and living cons utionalism.
On the one hand, Justice Thomas criticizes the Seventh Circuit’s opinion on the grounds it failed to properly consider the scope of the Second Amendment “when the people adopted” it.
He then proceeds to criticize the Seventh Circuit for not recognizing the number of contemporary Americans who own assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.
As Justice Thomas put it, “The question … is not whether citizens have adequate alternatives available for self-defense,” but “whether the law bans types of firearms commonly used for a lawful purpose—regardless of whether alternatives exist.”
Here, Justice Thomas’s call to respect the framers’ Second Amendment, yet adhere to a modern “common use” test perfectly highlights the difficulty when employing history in law—that is finding a jurisprudential balance between the past and the present. While Justice Thomas places a historical premium on the ownership of weapons so long as a significant number are available in American society at large, he virtually ignores the history of state and local firearms regulations to quell violence, prevent crime, and mitigate public injury. Some of these regulations were even aimed at prohibiting dangerous weapons, particularly in densely populated areas. These historical facts conflict with Justice Thomas’s doctrinal reasoning, do they not?
Perhaps Justice Thomas’s point is that history dictates that state and local governments should not be allowed to outlaw firearms which are universally accepted in other jurisdictions. That is, the Second Amendment requires a national standard as to what firearms may or may not be prohibited. But history does not favor Justice Thomas.
From the Reconstruction Era to the late twentieth century a variety of regulations touching upon dangerous weapons existed at the state and local level. In fact, up to 1979, forty-three states allowed their respective cities, towns, and localities to enact more stringent firearm regulations to protect the health, safety, and welfare of its citizens.
The overall point to be made is the Seventh Circuit did not relegate the Second Amendment to a “second-class right” as Justice Thomas claims. History refutes such a conclusion. The fact of the matter is the modern perception of the Second Amendment as guaranteeing broad firearm rights in both public and private is just that—modern.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/historian-explains-why-justice-clarence-thomas-doesnt-understand-the-second-amendment/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaig n=Feed:%20TheRawStory%20(The%20Raw%20Story)
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Cons ution, Draft 1, 1776
"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787
"The Cons ution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824
"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and cons ute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Cons ution, October 10, 1787
"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778
"The Cons ution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Cons ution of the United States, 1833
"If the representatives of the people betray their cons uents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28
"[I]f cir stances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only subs ute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28, January 10, 1788
"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
- Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789
Gun control is an age old class warfare tactic. The rich will never give up their guns, bodyguards, or gated communities far, far away from "disaffected minorities". Us little peons being armed could pose a problem for them in the future.
Restricting gun access to law abiding citizens will do no good at this point. Too many guns in circulation. Anyone who thinks turning the US into a giant version of Sweden is plausible needs to get an MRI stat.
"Restricting gun access to law abiding citizens will do no good at this point."
that's not what strict regulation would do. if you're legit, you can get a gun
"Too many guns in circulation"
agreed, tipping point is passed, and 100K more guns sold every year. America is ed and un able.
It's lousely interpreted, lousely written or just the nature of language, which evolves and takes on different meaning over the course of time. The FF meant to lay out something specific. They had intent. It's just doesn't come across in its writing very well.
Luckily we have other sources besides the Cons ution that clarify for us the intent behind the 2nd. In all of them their thoughts/statements on it support undeniably/unequivocally that our FF were actually pro-gun rights for the people, better known by you as "mouth breathing gun fellators" or whatever childish names you give them.
Their intent was clear as day in the extra-Cons utional sources/quotes provided here. And to try and read into intent without putting it into proper context, then you're being intellectually dishonest.
So grow a pair.
Argue against the 2nd based solely on its merits, and how a changed or repealed 2nd altogether is better than that hillbilly gun fellating mouth breathing 2nd in the Constution.
I'm so legit I was able to order this today off of the internet.
What grip do you like?
https://vzgrips.com/pistol-grips/cz-75/cz-75-frag
Gun and self-defense statistics that might surprise you -- and the NRA
259 justifiable homicides with the theft of about 232,000 guns each year, about 172,000 of them during burglaries. That’s a ratio of one justifiable homicide for every 896 guns put in the hands of criminals.
Those 259 justifiable homicides also pale compared with, in the same year, 8,342 criminal homicides using guns, 20,666 suicides with guns, and 548 fatal unintentional shootings, according to the FBI’s Supplemental Homicide Report. The ratio for 2012, per the Violence Policy Center, was one justifiable killing for every 32 murders, suicides or accidental deaths (the ratio increases to 38-1 over the five-year period ending in 2012). That’s a heavy price to pay.
The center also dives into the thorny thicket of how often the presence of a gun stops a crime — either violent or against property, such as a burglary — from happening. The gun lobby trots out an annual figure of 2.5 million such instances. But an analysis of five years’ worth of stats collected by the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics’ National Crime Victimization Survey puts the number much, much lower — about 67,740 times a year.
Over the five-year span ending in 2012, more than half — 56% — of the justifiable homicides involved strangers, and in 11% of the cases, the relationship was not reported. The rest were acquaintances (18.7%) such as neighbors and coworkers, and then a mishmash of relatives and personal relationships.
Conversely, of the 2012 criminal firearm homicides in which a relationship was reported, three out of four victims knew their killers, and more than a third were family members or "intimate acquaintances" — such as spouses, ex-spouses or others involved in a romantic relationship.
nearly half of gun owners say they keep weapons because it makes them feel safer, a proportion that has increased dramatically since 1999 even though violent crime has been in a steady decline.
So what conclusions can we draw from this? The notion that a good guy with a gun will stop a bad guy with a gun is a romanticized vision ( aka pure BULL ) of the nature of violent crime.
And that the sea of guns in which we live causes exponentially more danger and harm than good.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opini...619-story.html
iow, MORE GUNS EQUALS MORE GUN VIOLENCE
Looks like a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy 67,740 times a year. Your article s all over itself.
MORE GUNS EQUALS MORE GUN VIOLENCE
your gun-industry-assumption is that MORE GUNS for everybody everywhere all the time is ALWAYS BETTER.
iow, you, blood on your hands, actively support BAD GUYS having guns in the first place by justifying, propagandizing, anti-regulation for 300M+ guns flooding Amerian FOR PROFIT.
Declining gun violence disagrees with you.
nope, (even declined) gun violence equals more gun violence (than any other industrial country where gun violence is comparatively NON-EXISTENT).
America's insane gun violence will continue forever, because You 2nd Amendment frauds have for 40 years pumped America full of guns FOR PROFIT, past a point of no return.
Sorry but your statement of more guns equals more gun violence is false. You can't argue the numbers.
Sorry, but keep trying to wash the blood from your hands. Gun violence in America is still at unacceptable levels due to so many guns available to both good and bad guys.
Texas grocery giant H-E-B posts signs banning open carry
http://www.corsicanadailysun.com/new...d7e8000b4.html
Whole Paycheck and Safeway also tell you gun fellators to keep out.
The Disinformation Gunmakers Want You to Believe About Women and Guns
The popular ideas about women with guns exist chiefly in the minds of men with guns.
The General Social Survey is a periodic sociological survey of Americans, run since 1972 by the National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago. Among the many trends the survey tracks is gun ownership. Tom Smith, a senior fellow at NORC, has long disputed the story that women are buying guns for self-defense. Comparing the General Social Survey with Smith & Wesson’s claim, he found no significant changes in gun ownership among either men or women in the 1980s. And the women who did own guns often owned long guns for hunting or target shooting, not handguns for self-defense. They were more likely to be married and to live in small cities or rural areas. Most started shooting because their husbands were shooters. In spite of what Smith & Wesson and the media kept telling us, they were not single women living in the urban jungle.
In fact, there is no clear evidence that women are buying guns like crazy. Gallup routinely polls Americans on whether they own guns, among other things, and the results fluctuate up and down by about 5 percent
One thing does seem clear: the overall number of gun owners is shrinking. Since the early 1990s, the percentage of Americans who own guns has steadily declined, even as the civilian gun stock has steadily grown. There are a lot of guns out there to go around. And guns are durable, much more durable than cars or other consumer goods. On any trip to the range you may well see guns fifty years old or more. The market is flooded with used guns.
There is no shortage of pink handgrips on the market, nor of pink rifle stocks and pink camouflage. Women hunters are expected to wear form-fitting camo outfits with pink trim while their husbands and boyfriends slouch along in shapeless old jackets. The female hosts of TV hunting shows are universally blonde and ponytailed, and never appear without perfect makeup. The marketing tells us that women who shoot are expected to be perky and cute while doing it. And apparently a lot of them want to be, which suggests that the General Social Survey is right about women and guns, and that most women with guns own their guns because well-meaning husbands and boyfriends bought them as gifts, that shooting is something they do together with their partners. The supposedly booming women’s gun market seems to revolve, as usual, around men.
When women appear in the pages of Guns & Ammo, they’re in ads, where they clutch AK-47s while wearing bikinis, or cast seductive eyes at the reader with compact pistols concealed in their exposed stockings
And this, of course, is why women who host TV hunting shows have blonde, ponytailed hair, perfect makeup, and form-fitting camo with pink trim. The ideal of a woman with a gun is not threateningly feminist, but traditionally feminine: she needs help from masculine “experts,” wears lipstick in a duck blind, and is easy on the eyes. She accepts that men know best, and she doesn’t try to figure out anything for herself. This woman is a walking, talking validation of the masculinity of the gun culture, a reply to all that female skepticism directed at men and their guns, who are otherwise at best goofy, and at worst downright frightening. And so the gun culture claps its hands, absorbs the idea of women with guns, and declares that it is now feminist. It thinks women should be encouraged to do everything men do.
How have we created a culture so defective that people respond to any perceived threat to their guns with insults, threats, and even with violence? For “defective” is certainly the appropriate word.
http://www.alternet.org/books/disinf...women-and-guns
another alternet article
The Tragic Rundown on 48 Gun Disasters from Just One Week in America
Example: A delivery worker was accidentally shot at a customer’s home by—get this—a gun knocked off a table by his dog.
Freedom-loving Chicagoans are surely excited to finally be able to carry concealed firearms, especially folks with a particularly pressing need to protect themselves. Like the cell phone store owner who, defending himself from an armed robber, sprang into action to put a bullet in the chest of an innocent 27-year-old man at the bus stop across the street, and another through the wall of the apartment of a nearby family of five (and into their TV set).
By the time November rolled over into December, hunting accidents were steady at ten, up just two from the previous week. But in GunFAIL, kid season is year-round, and another 15 were hit in the week from November 29 through December 5. Nineteen people accidentally shot themselves, and five were shot by family members or significant others.
Ohio reestablished itself as the GunFAIL capital of the north, contributing seven of our original 46 incidents in this listing, but even more remarkably, racking up six reports in a row on December 2 and 3 alone! This installment also marks the continuation of the tradition of gun show accidents, logging one from the Crossroads of the West gun show in Phoenix, Arizona. How did it happen?
Well, in addition to a buyer and friend a little too itchy to get started enjoying the new gun before even leaving the show, a vendor appears to have violated the show’s strict policy against loaded guns inside the show hall (which makes the show a “gun free zone,” since as we know from being told so often, an unloaded gun is a mere hunk of useless metal).
This firearms expert also confounded the secondary level of safety precautions by zip-tying the pistol he was selling (also required by show management) through the magazine well rather than through the chamber and the barrel. While that prevents a magazine from being inserted, it doesn’t render the gun incapable of firing, nor demonstrate that the chamber is empty. And I guess it wasn’t! Thanks, gun expert!
It was also a rough week for take-out food delivery workers.
A pizza delivery boy in Michigan was accidentally shot through the wall by a man showing off his gun in the barber shop next door.
Two days later, in Toledo, a delivery worker was accidentally shot at a customer’s home by—get this—a gun knocked off a table by his dog.
What’s your favorite amendment, Rex? Woof! Woof! That’s right! The Second! Who’s a good shot? Who’s a good shot? You are! Yes, you are!
.... 48 items:
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-pol...e-week-america
Freedom!!
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