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    Nothing christian about most christians tbf

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    Nothing Christian about this guy tbh.
    his ex-wives said he was hard-core evangelist, believed Christ would forgive him no matter what he did. "killing abortionists for Christ" is very Christian, in murderous, gun-crazy America.

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    Being able to do whatever the under the stars, even terror, even ing babies, even genocide and still be one with the lord is very christian.

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    his ex-wives said he was hard-core evangelist, believed Christ would forgive him no matter what he did. "killing abortionists for Christ" is very Christian, in murderous, gun-crazy America.
    He can say he is anything he wants to. You're painting with the same broad brush folks on the right want to use on Islam.

    And that's pretty stupid.

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    He can say he is anything he wants to. You're painting with the same broad brush folks on the right want to use on Islam.

    And that's pretty stupid.
    nope, killing for Christ is exactly same as killing for Allah

    btw, Rubio said it's all cool, no worries, God wants it all to happen, got everything under control, sitting on His/Her/Its throne up in heaven.

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    nope, killing for Christ is exactly same as killing for Allah

    btw, Rubio said it's all cool, no worries, God wants it all to happen, got everything under control, sitting on His/Her/Its throne up in heaven.
    Do you talk like this to people in real life?

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    Not letting me quote for some reason Chump so can't go point by point answering. Basically I just found it odd he didn't kill any staff from PP if that was indeed what he was targeting.

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    Not letting me quote for some reason Chump so can't go point by point answering. Basically I just found it odd he didn't kill any staff from PP if that was indeed what he was targeting.
    So you think he was specifically targeting people who were accompanying others to PP since those were the only civilians who died?

    Again, what else are you saying he could have possibly been targeting?

    List the scenarios. If you have doubts it was PP, you have to think it was something else. Tell us what you think.

    I'm ready to jump on your bandwagon.

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    ^ The Onion is awesome
    Bou s thinks it's a real news outlet, just like that guy from FIFA

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    The fact that he was mumbling about baby parts afterward probably eliminates the chance that this was a random place. The very mention of "baby parts" indicates that he was at least partially motivated by the slander campaign against PP.

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    So you think he was specifically targeting people who were accompanying others to PP since those were the only civilians who died?

    Again, what else are you saying he could have possibly been targeting?

    List the scenarios. If you have doubts it was PP, you have to think it was something else. Tell us what you think.

    I'm ready to jump on your bandwagon.
    I said I was waiting for the facts to come out with his actual motive.

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    The fact that he was mumbling about baby parts afterward probably eliminates the chance that this was a random place. The very mention of "baby parts" indicates that he was at least partially motivated by the slander campaign against PP.
    The whole baby parts rumbling was from ONE anonymous source from NBC that every other news outlet has run with.

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    I said I was waiting for the facts to come out with his actual motive.
    I'm not asking you for his actual motive.

    I'm asking you what you personally think are plausible alternatives to what I think happened given the facts we know.

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    The whole baby parts rumbling was from ONE anonymous source from NBC that every other news outlet has run with.
    Authorities have not released more information about an official motive for the shooting. Planned Parenthood advocates have attributed the shooting to pro-life abortion rhetoric, a connection many Republican presidential candidates havedisputed.
    Formal charges against Dear are set to be filed Dec. 9.

    http://theweek.com/speedreads/591512...thood-shooting

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    The whole baby parts rumbling was from ONE anonymous source from NBC that every other news outlet has run with.
    Great, then why else would he be at PP with a gun and propane tanks?

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    Great, then why else would he be at PP with a gun and propane tanks?
    I've already said PP was the most plausible target. Why are you bothered that I'm willing to wait for official information to come out before declaring PP was the target?

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    Authorities have not released more information about an official motive for the shooting. Planned Parenthood advocates have attributed the shooting to pro-life abortion rhetoric, a connection many Republican presidential candidates havedisputed.
    Formal charges against Dear are set to be filed Dec. 9.

    http://theweek.com/speedreads/591512...thood-shooting
    Do you have a point to this post? I can't see how this contributes in any way.

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    I've already said PP was the most plausible target. Why are you bothered that I'm willing to wait for official information to come out before declaring PP was the target?
    I'm simply asking you what other possibilities you think might be plausible knowing what we now know.

    If you can't think of even one alternative plausible possibility, just say so.

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    The whole baby parts rumbling was from ONE anonymous source from NBC that every other news outlet has run with.
    CNN's report says a law enforcement official told CNN he spoke of baby parts. http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/29/us/col...hood-shooting/

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    CNN's report says a law enforcement official told CNN he spoke of baby parts. http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/29/us/col...hood-shooting/
    ChumpDumper posted the NBC link early on in this thread that everyone has run with, including CNN. It's the same anonymous source. When a named official on the case comes out and says this I'll take it at face face value, until then meh

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    I'm simply asking you what other possibilities you think might be plausible knowing what we now know.

    If you can't think of even one alternative plausible possibility, just say so.
    Lay out the facts for me. Do you know where exactly the first shots were fired and where the first person was shot? Who was the first person shot? Has the girl he was living with been interviewed? Was she there? In order to lay out some alternatives I'll need you to tell me exactly "what we now know".

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    ChumpDumper posted the NBC link early on in this thread that everyone has run with, including CNN. It's the same anonymous source. When a named official on the case comes out and says this I'll take it at face face value, until then meh
    That's fair, but a law enforcement official speaking anonymously to several media outlets is a lot more reliable than a random anonymous source.

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    As in the Larry Wilmore bit (and as with the anti-Muslim hysteria post 9/11/01) there's an argument to be made that the GOP and their dutiful media scribes passed out oiled rags to a cranky and gullible public, with deplorable, highly predictable results.

    Absence of causality isn't absence of blame. Rhetorical recklessness and obliviousness to truth can have fatal consequences. Larry Wilmore is right to point a finger at Fox News.
    I'd argue there's some anti-Muslim hysteria still going on...

    Man shouts ‘all Muslims are terrorists’ towards Muslim speaker at town hall meeting

    Matt Payton for Metro.co.ukFriday 20 Nov 2015 1:00 p

    A public meeting to discuss the building of a mosque descended into chaos after a man started shouting at a Muslim speaker.

    Samer Shalaby, a civil engineer, was speaking to residents of Fredericksburg, Virginia, about the Islamic community’s need to build a new mosque – as they have outgrown their current building.

    During his talk, a member of the audience began to shout and gesticulate at him: ‘All Muslims are terrorists. I’ll do everything in my power to make sure that does not happen.’
    The man’s remarks were received with cheers and claps by the crowd.



    He continued: ‘We don’t want it because you are terrorists. Every one of you are terrorists.


    ‘I don’t care what you say. You can smile at me. You can say whatever you want, but every Muslim is a terrorist.’


    A local Sheriff’s deputy broke up the meeting after it became obvious the abuse would not stop.


    Mr Shalaby told wusa9: ‘It just kept getting worse and worse. People were pointing fingers and waiving arms’.
    Video: http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/20/man-sh...eting-5514908/

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    I'd argue there's some anti-Muslim hysteria still going on...

    Video: http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/20/man-sh...eting-5514908/
    fat skinhead with beard and black tee shirt, You Stay Classy Racist Repugs

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    That's fair, but a law enforcement official speaking anonymously to several media outlets is a lot more reliable than a random anonymous source.
    Here the original quote where this all started that every network ran with. Sorry if I don't take two anonymous law enforcement sources who aren't even working the case as fact. Again, I will wait for an official statement from someone actually working the case.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...e-baby-n470706

    In one statement, made after the suspect was taken in for questioning, Dear said "no more baby parts" in reference to Planned Parenthood, two law enforcement sources with knowledge of the case told NBC News.

    But the sources stressed that Dear said many things to law enforcement and the extent to which the "baby parts" remark played into any decision to target the Planned Parenthood office was not yet clear. He also mentioned President Barack Obama in statements.

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