This game is an example of of why I've been an advocate of Tony this season.

[dabom]

Kevin love type of stretch 4? Is this serious?

[midnightpulp]

Kevin love type of stretch 4? Is this serious?

"Gib bawl to Kiwi in poast "

Since you're the head re of the crew, I'll speak carefully.

When you have a center or power forward who excels in the post, what kind of players do you put around him? What kind of players were consistently put around Duncan in the 4 down era?

Shooters!

Why is this? First off, it forces the opposing the defense to have to travel more space to double team. Secondly, it protects your post player from constant doubles because it forces the defense into a dilemma. Do you we double every time and leave their shooters open or do we single cover their big in the post and risk him going off.

This is all very easily wiki'ed:

Stretch fours are tactically employed in this way to "stretch" the opponent's defense. The ability to score a high-percentage of catch-and-shoot three-point shots from distance (the distinct feature of a stretch four[4]) causes defensive problems for the opposing team, as it pulls the opposing (and crucially, defending) power forward out of the low post area, opening up driving lanes for guards to exploit (these can be running lanes or passing lanes) and results in more post space and potentially scoring and rebounding opportunities for the center player.

There is no "post space" for Kawhi alongside LMA and Tim.

Why do you think Miami turned Bosh into a better 3 point shooter. Why do you think Cleveland wanted Kevin Love?

Want to know which perimeter player has been most efficient in the post over the past 3 seasons.

Lebron James.

Seriously, don't come at me. You're way, way above your paygrade trying to debate with me. Stick to Porker jokes and emoticons.

[dabom]

You get a 3 point shooter at the PG position or the wing position got. With abilities to drive it in. We don't need a stretch 4 got. And this team however it is constructed is still Kawhi's team. You are using Kawhi's worst game of the season as a model of his game. That's where you ed up already got.

Low IQ ty poster gonna reply to me now.

[midnightpulp]

You get a 3 point shooter at the PG position or the wing position got. With abilities to drive it in. We don't need a stretch 4 got. And this team however it is constructed is still Kawhi's team. You are using Kawhi's worst game of the season as a model of his game. That's where you ed up already got.

Low IQ ty poster gonna reply to me now.

Are you seriously re ed?

How does a 3 point shooting PG pull their bigs out of the paint? Post space is still going to be congested with the opposing teams bigs. 3 point shooting PGs typically help post up bigs not wings.

Just stop posting.

[dabom]

Are you seriously re ed?

How does a 3 point shooting PG pull their bigs out of the paint? Post space is still going to be congested with the opposing teams bigs. 3 point shooting PGs typically help post up bigs not wings.

Just stop posting.

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I'm done.

[midnightpulp]

Patty mills never has a problem got.


I'm done.

Ah, so teams scheme for Patty by guarding him with a big. I never knew that!

Dabom
"Gib bawl to Kiwi
Emoticons

[dabom]

I see you are saying something else. I don't see a problem with LMA and Tim out there when Kawhi posts up or decides to dribble drive or shoot a jumper. Where is this supposed lack of space you are talking about?

Have you seen his TS%? For someone lacking so much space he is ing elite at it.

[dabom]

Seriously. Tell me where Kawhi is hurting from this lack of ing space got.

[BOHOLANO#21]

Dabom got owned!

[dabom]

Lets back track. Mid said we need a stretch 4 for Kawhi to have space.

Kawhi excels with traditional bigs.

How is having 2 traditional bigs hurting Kawhi when he is ing elite at posting up, fading, Js, driving to the basket?

[dabom]

I don't have all night mid. Need to hit the gym already kid.

[dabom]

20 mins no ing response. Took this kid to school again. I'm done.

[ChumpDumper]

Before you get too over emotional, Nono basically said the same I said on my first post. This game SHOULD NOT be the norm so I dont think using this as an example to support his point was good. But Im sure you would have your signature Chump reply on this one, so have it tbh.

NO ONE said this should be the norm.

Ever.

What is the matter with you?

[ChumpDumper]

And lol dabom.

I'm dne!

No, really this time!

[Neurosis]

You'd think people would be happy to see Parker having a really dominant game to complement the team even further. Not sure how it gets interpreted any other way.

[Em-City]

I rewatched yesterday's game in which people claimed Kawhi was being "ignored."

He got 45 front court touches. He averages 43.8 per game. Durant averages 47.7.

"He probably didn't get the ball in his spots because Enrique!"

He got 90% of his touches in good spots that gave him an iso-situation against his defender. I'll provide some caps later, but one issue I've noticed with Kawhi is his reluctance to drive. Manu gets the ball in similar perimeter spots and dribbles/drives to spot where he's comfortable taking a shot or playmaking for a teammate.

I know the dribble-drive is one of Kawhi's supposed weaknesses, but the thing is, he's looked good this season when he's put the ball on the floor and drove (good things usually happen when he drives from the Bowen spot or the wing 3 point area). I don't get his hesitation/deferring.

Because he doesn't have Manus athletic ability or coordination to make a split second adjustment pass on the fly based on the real time evolving defense on the play. If he's driving, he committed to it. He's had a few drive and kicks but even those dont look to smooth. Some of the kicks have just kinda been thrown in a players direction as opposed to a "pass". Yesterday was a good example of Kawhis head down drives with no adjustments.

Edit: And I'm speaking in general terms overall. Of course there is a play here or there when kawhi adjusts, he is a basketball player. I'm talking about the ability to do it consistently with his skill set. Duncan got better doing the same thing, but from the post, so kawhi can too. That's will take his game to another level.

Yes, Leonard doesn't have that explosiveness, sheer strength or pure shooting touch that KD/James/Melo have, but I also think it's because of Kawhi's lack of ability to utilize a PnR. manu does this perfectly in that he can take the ball out and initiate the offense by calling a high screen.

[Brazil]

In January Parker's taking the same FGAs than Kawhi and shooting .458 FG%, Kawhi .507 FG% so he's missing less shots...

you are ing dumb really

spare me with the French fan blabla of your previous posts, that's not very original for one for two you don't really know what the you are talking about


Your quote: "Hopefully, you're right, but in the last 20 games Parker has increased his role, getting more touches than Kawhi, carrying the load on offense with mixed results."

Why in your mixed results you talk about individual FG% ? what is Spurs record during the 20 games you are talking about when Parker increased his role ? 18/2 ? that's your definition of mixed results ? During these 20 games, team is doing just fine... are you upset because your boy shoot less and Spurs continue to win ? that's what you mean when you say mixed results ?

And then for the fun because you are an idiot

Last 20 games played by Parker FGAs per game: 10,2, FG% 49,51%

Whole season Parker FGAs per game: 9,9... so that's what you call Parker increased his role last 20 games ? from 9,9 to 10,2 ? gtfo

Oh and don't come... oh no because now I was talking about January... Parker played 4 games in January, outside this game against Detroit in those 3 games he took 9,7 FGAs. Against Detroit Pop asked him to be more aggressive so yeah he had a e of 19 FGAs at .684 FG% but yeah carry on with your dumb agenda of parker is taking all shots from Kawhi

smh

[Pauleta14]

Guys I really admire your patience with these troll?/idiots?...

[YGWHI]

you are ing dumb really
spare me with the French fan blabla of your previous posts, that's not very original for one for two you don't really know what the you are talking about

Yep. Because it's very original to call every fan who talks about Kawhi, his development, his game...player fan/wishing injury/whatever.

I never wished an injury on a player, that's pretty low and bad karma, but you love to act like every guy is the same type of fan so why I shouldn't do the same with you? Do you not like it? Well...you get what you give.

Why in your mixed results you talk about individual FG%? What is Spurs record during the 20 games you are talking about when Parker increased his role ?

Since this thread is about an individual performance and the way the team should play that player, we should talk about his individual stats.

you are an idiot

No, but you seem mad...I wonder why. People can argue, disagree, have a different point of view...there is no need to get mad about it.

I doubt about people who call others idiot, stupid to dismiss their arguments...it's likely they're projecting something wrong, unresolved about themselves onto others, and they can't accept the fact that insulting someone is actually a sign of insecurity.

Parker played 4 games in January...smh

We'll see if there's a trend in this small sample size or not...Hope for the latter.

[YGWHI]

I know you're clamoring for most post feeds, but posting him a lot in that lineup will pretty much kill spacing since Danny is the only 3 point shooter in the lineup. It might look good when it works, but in the long run, it would be an easy situation to defend since there's not enough shooters to keep the defense honest. They'd just stay home on Green and swarm Kawhi.

We'd need a Kevin Love type of stretch 4 for an offensive scheme built around Kawhi in the post.

Never said a lot but often.

And it works really well if we look his numbers in post up plays, one of the best in the league. Anyway, not sure if that easy to defend since he has a favorable matchup against most of guards and small forwards in the league, except one or two. And if he gets double teamed he's doing a good job finding the open guy.

Pop said after a few games this season, they'll post Kawhi more, the Barkley video stuff... we don't need a guy like Love to post Kawhi, we have Boris, and he was that guy in the 2014 Finals for Kawhi.

[Brazil]

Yep. Because it's very original to call every fan who talks about Kawhi, his development, his game...player fan/wishing injury/whatever.

I never wished an injury on a player, that's pretty low and bad karma, but you love to act like every guy is the same type of fan so why I shouldn't do the same with you? Do you not like it? Well...you get what you give.


Since this thread is about an individual performance and the way the team should play that player, we should talk about his individual stats.


No, but you seem mad...I wonder why. People can argue, disagree, have a different point of view...there is no need to get mad about it.

I doubt about people who call others idiot, stupid to dismiss their arguments...it's likely they're projecting something wrong, unresolved about themselves onto others, and they can't accept the fact that insulting someone is actually a sign of insecurity.


We'll see if there's a trend in this small sample size or not...Hope for the latter.

You don't make any sense scra... At all.. The player fans stuff is just me being a smart ass... Next time I will use blue font even though you seem more of a cheer leader than a fan of the team

i noticed how well you dodged the facts and data I provided... It's ok to be wrong you know, your take was , it happens. 20 games. Don't push my with your French dumb argument and actually check your facts before talking and I won't call you an idiot.

carry on tho.. Now that I've seen you have no interest to discuss ball and go on with dumb not backed up by anything, I will let you proceed peacefully

[dabom]

Brazil I thought you said mid was one of the best intelligent minds in here...

[midnightpulp]

I see you are saying something else. I don't see a problem with LMA and Tim out there when Kawhi posts up or decides to dribble drive or shoot a jumper. Where is this supposed lack of space you are talking about?

Have you seen his TS%? For someone lacking so much space he is ing elite at it.

Do I have to talk slow again?

I'm not talking about Kawhi dribble-drives or 3 point jump shots.

The popular idea with Kawhi fanboys is that he should be posted more frequently. In the current starting lineup, you can't really do that without compromising spacing. You're going to have 6 or 7 players around the painted area (the Center and his defender, the PF and his defender, the Wing who is posting and his defender and possibly a player coming for a double team). It'll be a cluster with tight driving and passing lanes. LMA being a threat from 18 feet helps matter somewhat but not to the point where Kawhi should be posted as frequently as Lebron. And I say this as someone who thinks Kawhi is the best wing post player in the league.

You want Kawhi posted more, send a memo to Pop to play Diaw and LMA alongside him more. But guess what happens then? Our interior defense and rebounding is compromised.

There's always trade offs.

[midnightpulp]

Do I have to talk slow again?

I'm not talking about Kawhi dribble-drives or 3 point jump shots.

The popular idea with Kawhi fanboys is that he should be posted more frequently. In the current starting lineup, you can't really do that without compromising spacing. You're going to have 6 or 7 players around the painted area (the Center and his defender, the PF and his defender, the Wing who is posting and his defender and possibly a player coming for a double team). It'll be a cluster with tight driving and passing lanes. LMA being a threat from 18 feet helps matter somewhat but not to the point where Kawhi should be posted as frequently as Lebron. And I say this as someone who thinks Kawhi is the best wing post player in the league.

You want Kawhi posted more, send a memo to Pop to play Diaw and LMA alongside him more. But guess what happens then? Our interior defense and rebounding is compromised.

There's always trade offs.

That said, this might be our counter lineup against Golden State's "Death Squad."

[dabom]

Do I have to talk slow again?

I'm not talking about Kawhi dribble-drives or 3 point jump shots.

The popular idea with Kawhi fanboys is that he should be posted more frequently. In the current starting lineup, you can't really do that without compromising spacing. You're going to have 6 or 7 players around the painted area (the Center and his defender, the PF and his defender, the Wing who is posting and his defender and possibly a player coming for a double team). It'll be a cluster with tight driving and passing lanes. LMA being a threat from 18 feet helps matter somewhat but not to the point where Kawhi should be posted as frequently as Lebron. And I say this as someone who thinks Kawhi is the best wing post player in the league.

You want Kawhi posted more, send a memo to Pop to play Diaw and LMA alongside him more. But guess what happens then? Our interior defense and rebounding is compromised.

There's always trade offs.

I'm done talking to low IQ posters that want a super bonner on the team.