No one would want Simmons, unless it is for partial bird rights.
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/view...9792#p52519792bigmean wrote:
I have been crafting a deal for about 2 weeks (still a work in progress)
Chicago gets: 2017 Lakers Top 3 protected pick Via Philly, Danny Green, Jusuf Nurkic, Robert Covington
Denver gets: 2017 Chicago first round pick, Nikola Mirotic, Patty Mills, Gerald Henderson, rights to Nikola Milutinov
Philly gets: Lamarcus Aldridge, Wilson Chandler
San Antonio gets: Dwayne Wade, Darrell Arthur, Sergio Rodriguez, Richaun Holmes and a two of second round from Philly (not there own)
Green already showed wade was trash in 2014. He's even worse.
Patty and LMA in that trade too.
Would love Lou Williams on this team. Living in LA, I watch a lot of lakers games and he's been ballin' these past couple seasons (on a bad team, yea). Nevertheless, He's instant offense off the bench and a clutch shot maker. If only the Lakers would trade him for fodder tbh. Reports suggest he's definitely being traded before the deadline.
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Salaries wont match.
Maybe some experts can give us details on how the spurs can possibly aquire lou williams without giving up anyone significant...
If the Spurs traded LMA they should want a guy capable of being the #2 on the team either now or in the near future. Otherwise you might as well ride it out and hope he shows up during the playoffs.
Good looks
I was going off that + the fact that Chi is only asking a 1st rounder for Lopez
But if it takes including Danny Green im so wit it
Rim defender & rebounder, a certified 2 guard second option/defender and a backup wing
Seems like all goods
I need this to have some traction dammit!!!!
Your 3-player trade leaves the Spurs thin in the front court. That's one reason to throw in Danny (who would be reduced to a back-up role anyway) for RoLo.Good looks
I was going off that + the fact that Chi is only asking a 1st rounder for Lopez
But if it takes including Danny Green im so wit it
Rim defender & rebounder, a certified 2 guard second option/defender and a backup wing
Seems like all goods
I need this to have some traction dammit!!!!
According to Zach Lowe's latest ESPN article (on the Pistons), the Spurs tried to get Stanley Johnson on the cheap in late November/December.
Wonder what 'on the cheap' means cause lottery drafted players on rookie deals are seldom cheap. Anderson+Simmons+1st?
Johnson is a very Spurs-like player. I assume he's still not a good shooter but a good defender. The Spurs would probably try to Kawhi him and Detroit won't let themselves look like Indiana, esp after throwing money at below average Spurs bigs.
Is it penetrator or facilitator? Are they the same thing? Its hard to spot up if you aren't setup. Who is supposed to do that, Simmons? Manu is 3Rd in usage (not counting Murray for obvious reasons) yet he is a whopping 1% over Mills, Parker and gasol and just 4% over Simmons. Manu is assisted on 78.5 of his 3s, Mills on 83.3. He also takes the 2nd least amount from the corners and "by far" the most heaves. He still shoots the same percentage as Danny 3pt specialist green. (kawhi shoots the least from the corners, no heaves, lower percentage than Manu). In fact he has more makes than 2/4 3pt specialists, and only one of the "specialists" shoots a higher percentage.
It's kind of funny that someone who likes to act cap savvy talking about manus contract as if it were relevant. He was the last player to fill capspace and the Spurs offered him all that was left precisely because it didn't really matter, it's a one year contract. The year before he took a fifth of what he did now to fit Aldridge. Name a better player available this summer that would have signed a one year contract for that role, for whatever amount, nevermind after most good players had already signed.
The bench offense runs through Manu and Mills and sharing the ball as it has for years now, and by the way the bench continues to be one of the strengths of the team.
Patty+Anderson for Lou Williams
Just read that..But apparently he has terrible work ethics..Still they would probably hold on to him than deliver him to the Spurs/Chip...Stan Van Gundy is good coach, but he is stuck with a core players that just don't set a good example (Drummond, Reggie, Morris etc..)..At least in Orlando it was only one guy, Dwight, but he was an early bloomer and so talented that it didn't matter..As Lowe projects, I think they are ripe for a shakeup move before the deadline or in the summer..
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Zach Hoe also said the Pistons are seeing what they can get for Drummond and Reggie Jackson.
Most likely fake news
First, things like 4.5-percent differences are huge. Second, Patty having a higher shooting percentage makes him shooting unassisted shots completely different. Mills is not the focal point of the bench. His unassisted shots don't come from taking slow step-backs. Anyway, when you cite Manu's 3P%, you miss the point of what I'm saying. It's not about how many you make or how well you make them when you shoot. It's about how you get them. Manu isn't a dynamic off-ball shooter. He probably never really was given that he's usually an on-ball player.
People need to stop perpetuating the lie that Manu's contract didn't count against the cap. It did, just not the whole thing. While I'm not complaining about how much Manu made given his Bird status, the team could have used $6 Million on something else that might have been better. That could have meant turning Gasol into Whiteside or getting Dedmon to sign a longer-term deal. Who knows? But yes, it counts, and it's relevant.It's kind of funny that someone who likes to act cap savvy talking about manus contract as if it were relevant.
Now this IS irrelevant. Why he's paid what he's paid doesn't change the math for the team.The year before he took a fifth of what he did now to fit Aldridge.
There wasn't a timing issue with Manu. Had they wanted to move on, they could have done so on July 6.nevermind after most good players had already signed.
The does this have to do with anything? Look, if you just want to semen-shield for Manu, I'm not here to stop you. But that doesn't change the fact that he isn't playing off the ball, isn't a spot-up shooter and wouldn't particularly benefit from playing next to a ball-dominant guard like Barton instead of Patty. You can love Manu all you want, but if you think there's a problem with the penetration on the team, look to the guy who can't penetrate anymore or the guy who isn't yet (and may never be) good enough to penetrate consistently. Don't look to the guy who's supposed to shoot and is essentially leading the team in 3P%.The bench offense runs through Manu and Mills and sharing the ball as it has for years now, and by the way the bench continues to be one of the strengths of the team.
Manu is definitely an on-ball player. Always has been. He and Parker were never a yin-and-yang fit but in the mid 2000s they were so damn good it didn't matter. Having two guards capable of driving, finishing, and passing is quite a luxury.
The problem we're seeing is that Parker and Green fit well together in terms of skillsets, as do Manu and Mills. But no other backcourt combination really works. Simmons can drive and finish but isn't a good passer.
Patty is doing a lot of PnR lately... a lot. Might it be tied to his struggles shooting going on a few gamesxb4 last?
you are arguing both ways. First, you say manu's role is to penetrate/facilitate, then you complain his usage rate is insane (again, 1% higher than patty, parker, gasol)- if he is supposed to penetrate/facilitate he has the ball in his hands and has a high usage percent. Do you think patty, tp and gasol have insane usage rates too? he is shooting more from 3 than ever in his career FYI.
you complain his salary is too high (you said for the penetrator/facilitator as a group, but obviously the big contracts are tony and manu), but then you talk about more money into bigs with that capspace. how would that help the team exactly, didnt you say the deficit is in penetration and facilitating? find me a penetrating/facilitating wing to replace manu with those 6M at any point of free agency. and last years salary is relevant, obviously manu isnt 5 times better now than last year (nor did people expect less of him last year), but the spurs paid him for making a sacrifice. 16.8m / 2yrs has different optics than 2.8 / yr + 14M / yr, even if the money is equal. at 8.45M / yr danny green becomes the 5th highest paid player instead of manu.
apparently its better to be like danny green and rely on the team to set you up, than be able to create for yourself and others. apparently its better to be one dimensional than contribute in multiple areas. apparently its ok to be outplayed by a 39 year old if you get paid less regardless of cir stances. and im the one semen shielding...
Manu and Tonys role is to penetrate. That is their skills. The Spurs have developed and signed players to fit their strengths. It's just now Manu and Tony can't don't anymore. They are old. Is that the other players' fault?
It's not LMA or Pau or green or Patty's fault that Tony and Manu suck now. But the team was built around the original big 3.
Chinook, what are Manu's on-ball and off-ball 3-point percentages? I thought he was consciously making a transition to a spot-up 3-point shooter and he was doing so with success. I really thought he was becoming a Steve Kerr or Robert Horry for this team, and I was excited to see it. He still has games where he tries to be the young Manu, which really irritates me, but I guess your point is well taken: since the Spurs do not have a strong, reliable penetrator on the roster, they have to do it by committee. I sure wish Manu would just channel some Kerr/Horry and refrain from his "playmaking" efforts, but I am surprised that you indicated that he was not as effective shooting the 3 off the ball.
This is pretty indicative of your problem. I am not "complaining" about Manu's usage. I am pointing to that as one of the many factors to counter your assertion that Manu has a different role than before. He has the same role; he just can't do it as well.
I don't complain that his money is to high. I "complain" about people complaining about Patty not being a penetrator when that's not his job. The Spurs' problem isn't that their shooters don't penetrate. It's that their penetrators don't penetrate. Moving Mills for Barton robs Peter to pay Paul and thus doesn't actually help the team like moving Simmons for Barton would (which is impossible besides salary). That you think this is an attack on Manu is your fault.you complain his salary is too high (you said for the penetrator/facilitator as a group, but obviously the big contracts are tony and manu), but then you talk about more money into bigs with that capspace.
It doesn't matter how you want to spin it. If the problem with the Spurs' guards is that they aren't good enough, and $30 Million is being used on two mostly washed-up guards, it's a problem. If you don't think the guard play is an issue, then it's whatever. But acting like $4-Million Patty who's leading the team in 3P% needs to be moved to cover up for Manu's decline is just not smart. He's upholding his salary.the spurs paid him for making a sacrifice. 16.8m / 2yrs has different optics than 2.8 / yr + 14M / yr, even if the money is equal. at 8.45M / yr danny green becomes the 5th highest paid player instead of manu.
ing yes. Why is this so hard for people to understand? Being great at everything is better than being one-dimensional. Being mediocre at everything isn't. It's not rocket science, despite the fact that we on ST have to go through this every season.apparently its better to be like danny green and rely on the team to set you up, than be able to create for yourself and others.
Yes, you are, because you took offense to a post about Mills vs Barton and made it Mills vs Manu. And when that didn't work, you made it Green vs Manu. It's semen-shielding at its finest. You can love Manu all you want. I don't care. I'm not even complaining about Manu. I do hate the lie that gets perpetuated that Manu didn't affect the cap, though. And I'm not going to act like the third- and fourth-highest paid guards are at fault because the top two guys can't play worth their contracts anymore.im the one semen shielding...
^ damn.
Manu rolling in his grave after that burial
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