How to rig an election

[Pavlov]

Fuzzy said citizens have a cons utional right to vote. I said they don't. Since then it's been "ought to" and "you're eroding the freedoms this nation was founded on!"

Is there anything in the cons ution about voting for congress?

[koriwhat]

Do you agree with background checks and ID requirements to purchase a firearm?

of course he/she doesn't... they want guns outlawed altogether because guns kill and not people behind the triggers.

[spurraider21]

Seven states have enacted voter ID laws. Are they violating the Bill of Rights?

Depends on which courts you ask. Indiana has an id law up and running. Texas can't stop getting theirs overturned.

[DMC]

Can't ask someone to prove a negative. That isn't how it works. e.g. "prove you aren't a child molester".

Burden of proof is on those making the claim. "there is in person voter fraud that requires an ID law to fix" is the positive claim.

Then it would be "did it swing the election?" or "that's a rare case!"

One example is all you need to prove the assertion. After that caveats follow.

[DMC]

Is there anything in the cons ution about voting for congress?

Scurry off and find out. Let us know what you find in this mythical "cons ution" I keep hearing about.

[RandomGuy]

What if the ID was free?

ID's are never "free".

You can make it free to people, but then you have to have some government agency to do it. Costs to tax payers, so it will cost someone, somewhere.

The answer to this question is : it doesn't matter two s in a pot.

If the ID is meant to solve a problem that doesn't exist, then the ID is pointless, even if you could magically them out of your butt for "free".

Prove that free IDs solve a problem that exists. all cost, no benefit.

[Pavlov]

Scurry off and find out. Let us know what you find in this mythical "cons ution" I keep hearing about.

Nah, your whining all but shouts it's definitely in there.

Thanks for that. Pretty much makes everything you've been saying moot.

[RandomGuy]

[Spurtacular]

It's the suppression, silly.

On election night, Anthony was shocked to see Trump carry Wisconsin by nearly 23,000 votes. The state, which ranked second in the nation in voter participation in 2008 and 2012, saw its lowest turnout since 2000. More than half the state’s decline in turnout occurred in Milwaukee, which Clinton carried by a 77-18 margin, but where almost 41,000 fewer people voted in 2016 than in 2012.

What!?!?!?! Blacks didn't show up to support an old, rich, white hag? OMG!

[Spurtacular]

ID's are never "free".

You can make it free to people, but then you have to have some government agency to do it. Costs to tax payers, so it will cost someone, somewhere.

So, you're worried about paying marginal costs that go to ensuring civil rights? WTF do you think was the point of taxes in the first place?

[RandomGuy]

Then it would be "did it swing the election?" or "that's a rare case!"

One example is all you need to prove the assertion. After that caveats follow.

34 votes out of 800,000,000

That's what the evidence shows.

[RandomGuy]

So, you're worried about paying marginal costs that go to ensuring civil rights? WTF do you think was the point of taxes in the first place?

[smiley][derision]

[DMC]

34 votes out of 800,000,000

That's what the evidence shows.

Then it's proven.

There were 800 million votes?

[RandomGuy]

Then it's proven.

There were 800 million votes?

Feel free to find the study too. Go forth into the peer-reviewed papers.

[RandomGuy]

After that caveats follow.

Caveats are good things. I would hope so.

[Spurtacular]

[smiley][derision]

No smiley/derision, dip . You just went extra lazy on your schtick.

So, you're worried about paying marginal costs that go to ensuring civil rights? WTF do you think was the point of taxes in the first place?

[pgardn]

You're talking about "ought". I am talking about "is". There is no cons utional right to vote. Run for office, change the status quo. Make America Great Again and such.

Bush v Gore is the best reference of USSC case law that clearly interprets the cons ution and states that voting isn't a cons utional right, but reserved for states to decide on. The BoR only states that discrimination cannot be based on specific protected categories like age (over 18), gender, race, religion and such.

Your other mumblings are moot.

Im talking about the basics of a democracy, not what our cons ution says or anything else.

Your starting spot is with only the king can vote. (Grant rights from here carefully)
The democratic starting point is that anything can vote. (Restrict from here)
This is why you can't even begin to understand how important the basic idea of everyone having input is. It's Nothing more than this. Quit trying to riggle out of something so incredibly basic.

This debate has started yet again because Trump lost the popular vote. Something he, and the Trumpeteers, can't get over.

Or possibly boots now thinking Russians voted in our election. The paranoia deepens for both groups.

[DarrinS]

34 votes out of 800,000,000

That's what the evidence shows.

Where do these numbers come from?

[rmt]

Rigged: How Voter Suppression Threw Wisconsin to Trump

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...lection-2016/#

... then add in Pootin's cyber army targeting WI (and MI, PA) and Repug's releasing Comey's letter 10 days before the election.

mmm, Trump would have won without any 2 of WI, MI and PA. And absentee ballots in WI must be sent by 47 days before a federal election.

This is like Obama's 92 day aca enrollment period. NC - had 27 days of voting plus absentee ballot that was available 60 days prior to the date of a statewide general election - that's plenty of time. Early and absentee voting started on Oct 12, 2016 - that's 34 days. How much longer does one need to vote?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Where do these numbers come from?

Brennan Center

[pgardn]

Im talking about the basics of a democracy, not what our cons ution says or anything else.

Your starting spot is with only the king can vote. (Grant rights from here carefully)
The democratic starting point is that anything can vote. (Restrict from here)
This is why you can't even begin to understand how important the basic idea of everyone having input is. It's Nothing more than this. Quit trying to riggle out of something so incredibly basic.

This debate has started yet again because Trump lost the popular vote. Something he, and the Trumpeteers, can't get over.

Or possibly boots now thinking Russians voted in our election. The paranoia deepens for both groups.

The, "But I have to have a divers license crew in order to drive", is so totally lost...

[rmt]

Im talking about the basics of a democracy, not what our cons ution says or anything else.

Your starting spot is with only the king can vote. (Grant rights from here carefully)
The democratic starting point is that anything can vote. (Restrict from here)
This is why you can't even begin to understand how important the basic idea of everyone having input is. It's Nothing more than this. Quit trying to riggle out of something so incredibly basic.

This debate has started yet again because Trump lost the popular vote. Something he, and the Trumpeteers, can't get over.

Or possibly boots now thinking Russians voted in our election. The paranoia deepens for both groups.

That'd be the Hillary fans. I doubt any Trump voter spent any time worrying over him losing the popular vote - it is meaningless - Trump is President.

[pgardn]

mmm, Trump would have won without any 2 of WI, MI and PA. And absentee ballots in WI must be sent by 47 days before a federal election.

This is like Obama's 92 day aca enrollment period. NC - had 27 days of voting plus absentee ballot that was available 60 days prior to the date of a statewide general election - that's plenty of time. Early and absentee voting started on Oct 12, 2016 - that's 34 days. How much longer does one need to vote?

In close elections this is exciting for the Networks and the crew that must win to feel worthy. Bush v. Gore included.

What the big picture says is we have had very close elections, the country is basically split, flip a coin.

Move on. (An impossible task for some)
The thing that we must ask for is frrgn govern now, you won. Start now. And now there are very strict rules, because now you are actually making and trying to implement policy; Not simply choosing a "leader".

[pgardn]

That'd be the Hillary fans. I doubt any Trump voter spent any time worrying over him losing the popular vote - it is meaningless - Trump is President.

Oh I do doubt, I totally doubt the ability to move on in about 1/3 of the electorate. They are still in the we won stage, a massive victory to be relished in Hillary's tears. Retribution and basking in a win is the driver.

Meanwhile... the wall?? What?

[koriwhat]

how to rig an election....

HRC > MSM > HOLLYWOOD > Campaign Funds from Terrorist Countries > Buying the DNC > Pushing out 2face Bernie > ....

basically just ask HRC and the DNC how it's done. they got the blueprint.