Aldridge ball is not winning ball

[DPG21920]

Anyway, thanks for derailing the real topic of the thread. If folks didn't get it before, for sure won't be getting it now.

[DPG21920]

OK, do you want me to correct my sentences from "choke" to " fizzle out"? OK, it's a lie that Paul fizzles out on the playoffs, he's always putting monster performances. Happy?

He does fizzle out though (meaning CP3 led teams). If you are going to say LMA is not “winning ball” despite LMA in the role you are complaining about being a WCF team while CP3 can’t even get there, does that not make you stop and think “hmmm, maybe my position on the matter is off?”

[Seventyniner]

I don’t praise the wolves or OKC either for what it’s worth. I just think a terrible offseason along with injuries has made this the worst spurs team of the decade. Even if they were healthy (can Kawhi even stay on the court long enough to find last year’s form?) they took a step back over the offseason while most other playoff teams got better.

With Kawhi sitting so much we can't possibly know how good this team is. The Wolves and Thunder got better but from a low base.

It's also rather unfair to compare this year's Spurs with other Spurs teams in the past with Kawhi out.

Are you just against standing pat in general (from 61 wins and WCF, no less) or do you think the Spurs actually had better moves they realistically could have made?

[DAF86]

I can see where you get off topic/confused. I didn’t say CP choked. I’m not even saying LMA is more talented than CP.

What I wrote about CP/Regular Season/Playoff was not to frame CP as bad or as a choker. It was to provide context to my observation about you and how you use regular season stats/no context to evaluate things.

CP is amazing and more talented than LMA. He also has better stats. BUT, he literally has/had systems built all around him. The “fizzle in the playoffs” part was to show impact. That’s where things get blurry with LMA/CP. CP can still be a great player and put up amazing stats and fall short because the impact PG’s have and they systems built around such ball dominant PGs set that up.

So I’m not saying CP sucks are doesn’t put up stats. I’m saying you should look at, as has been discussed at length before, WHY he falls short in the playoffs despite playing seemingly really well statistically

The reason, to me, that Paul has always fall short on the playoffs is because (1) his teams have never been good enough and (2) he is injury prone and always seems to get to the playoffs with some sort of lingering thing.

Regarding the other part of the post, this season the Spurs have a system specially made to fit Aldridge's game and it has lead to one of the worst offenses on the league. Sure, the lack of competent guards surely plays a role but that didn't seem to matter when the offense was centered on Kawhi, tbh.

[DPG21920]

The reason, to me, that Paul has always fall short on the playoffs is because (1) his teams have never been good enough and (2) he is injury prone and always seems to get to the playoffs with some sort of lingering thing.

Regarding the other part of the post, this season the Spurs have a system specially made to fit Aldridge's games and it has lead to one of the worst offenses on the league. Sure, the lack of competent guards surely plays a role but that didn't seem to matter when the offense was centered on Kawhi, tbh.

CP has had plenty of stacked teams Get out of here with that. With someone so great, even if you don’t think his teams were stacked (they were) to not get to the WCF one time???? Once? Yet, with a team that is certainly worse than CP3 had, you expect and are upset because you say LMA isn’t winning ball? LmA is supposed to win a le like this with this team? But CP3 just “didn’t have enough to get to a WCF”. So how was he playing winning ball?

This “system” around LMA is not even close to apples-to-apples They didn’t trade Kawhi and say let’s build around LMA. They have adapted to survive with Kawhi out way longer than expected (amongst other injuries). This SA team with the injuries is certainly not “stacked” and with Kawhi, they had LMA has a 2nd option so yeah, offense with Kawhi being the center and LMA #2 should be a ton better than LMA as a make-shift #1 with no planning and no real 2nd option.

Listen to what you are trying to argue my man.

[dabom]

The reason, to me, that Paul has always fall short on the playoffs is because (1) his teams have never been good enough and (2) he is injury prone and always seems to get to the playoffs with some sort of lingering thing.

Regarding the other part of the post, this season the Spurs have a system specially made to fit Aldridge's games and it has lead to one of the worst offenses on the league. Sure, the lack of competent guards surely plays a role but that didn't seem to matter when the offense was centered on Kawhi, tbh.

If LMA was out and Kawhi was healthy, our offense would get worse too. And our defense too.

[Hoops Czar]

He was dominant in Game One against them until Kawhi went out and they started triple-teaming him.

They weren't triple teaming him. He was garbage for the remainder of the series, games 1 post Kawhi through game 4. Had he bothered to show up, the Spurs might have been able to steal one game. He was also garbage after game 2 of the OKC series when the Thunder switched Adams on him. I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand? The postup, mid range, Iso offense is dead in favor of the motion offense. Oh sure, it's good enough to win 50+ games in the regular season but you won't be winning squat against a good defensive team in the postseason if you can't get easy shots at the rim or from beyond the arc through precision passing, cuts and slashes, none of which aldridge does well. So, you're absolutely right. It's winning basketball when you lower your expectations to non championship contender.

[DAF86]

If LMA was out and Kawhi was healthy, our offense would get worse too. And our defense too.

With no LA but with Kawhi, the offense wouldn't be one of the worst on the league, not even close. Of that I'm sure.

[DAF86]

CP has had plenty of stacked teams Get out of here with that. With someone so great, even if you don’t think his teams were stacked (they were) to not get to the WCF one time???? Once? Yet, with a team that is certainly worse than CP3 had, you expect and are upset because you say LMA isn’t winning ball? LmA is supposed to win a le like this with this team? But CP3 just “didn’t have enough to get to a WCF”. So how was he playing winning ball?

This “system” around LMA is not even close to apples-to-apples They didn’t trade Kawhi and say let’s build around LMA. They have adapted to survive with Kawhi out way longer than expected (amongst other injuries). This SA team with the injuries is certainly not “stacked” and with Kawhi, they had LMA has a 2nd option so yeah, offense with Kawhi being the center and LMA #2 should be a ton better than LMA as a make-shift #1 with no planning and no real 2nd option.

Listen to what you are trying to argue my man.

What were the stacked teams? David West and Peja Stojakovic with Byron Scott as the Coach? When I look back at that team I still can't believe they won 60 something games. Man, Chris Paul was robbed of MVP that year.

And then Blake Griffin and Deandre Jordan two guys that have never done squat without CP3 holding their hand. I expect Blake to get exposed badly on Detroit, tbh.

Regarding LA, Kawhi and the offense, read above.

[TD 21]

"Not winning ball" is factually incorrect and poorly worded, but I know what he meant: you're not winning a championship that way in '18. That's obvious, but so is the fact that they don't have a better current option. All this talk of him being better as a finisher more so than creator sounds nice in theory, but it's not feasible as more than a change of pace with the current roster.

[dabom]

With no LA but with Kawhi, the offense wouldn't be one of the worst on the league, not even close. Of that I'm sure.

Kawhi is the better player at the same time I can say that LMA has great health. If LMA was out, could Kawhi play without losing games like LMA right now?

And how would that affect our record.

[Chinook]

They weren't triple teaming him.

Yes they were.

[dabom]

"Not winning ball" is factually incorrect and poorly worded, but I know what he meant: you're not winning a championship that way in '18. That's obvious, but so is the fact that they don't have a better current option. All this talk of him being better as a finisher more so than creator sounds nice in theory, but it's not feasible as more than a change of pace with the current roster.

We'll he was talking about the Regular Season. So yeah, he wasn't talking about Championships.

[DAF86]

We'll he was talking about the Regular Season. So yeah, he wasn't talking about Championships.

I'm talking about championship level winning basketball. The kind of winning basketball we Spurs fans are accostumed to.

[DPG21920]

I feel like I’m in bizzaro world where this is a serious thread with truly insane premise though.

[dabom]

Your last sentence of the OP clearly was talking about RS. Now if you want to talk about if hes good enough to win Championships with, yeah he's good. We just need a third option.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

CP3 beat the Spurs on time in the playoffs, right? But that is besides the point. If CP is so much better than LMA and HOU so much better than SA, if you take Harden off of HOU, there should be no excuses for CP/HOU, right?

They would do much better than SA/LMA with no Kawhi, right?

I do think no harden but cp3 led rockets team would beat this current spurs team with no Kawhi even if you still have LMA. I think the Rockets would be too much for the spurs in that matchup.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

"Not winning ball" is factually incorrect and poorly worded, but I know what he meant: you're not winning a championship that way in '18. That's obvious, but so is the fact that they don't have a better current option. All this talk of him being better as a finisher more so than creator sounds nice in theory, but it's not feasible as more than a change of pace with the current roster.

[dabom]

I do think no harden but cp3 led rockets team would beat this current spurs team with no Kawhi even if you still have LMA. I think the Rockets would be too much for the spurs in that matchup.

You probably think the puppies are better than the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

You probably think the puppies are better than the Spurs.

He does. He blasts SA for losing to ATL while missing players and says nothing about the Wolves losing to them fully healthy. A Wolves team where he would take their players over SA despite the fact those players have a worse record than SA WITHOUT KAWHI.

[dabom]

He does. He blasts SA for losing to ATL while missing players and says nothing about the Wolves losing to them fully healthy. A Wolves team where he would take their players over SA despite the fact those players have a worse record than SA WITHOUT KAWHI.

I remember him slobbering the puppies during the offseason.

[dbreiden83080]

They will still win 50 games with our best player basically out all year long.. It is winning enough..

[Amuseddaysleeper]

He does. He blasts SA for losing to ATL while missing players and says nothing about the Wolves losing to them fully healthy. A Wolves team where he would take their players over SA despite the fact those players have a worse record than SA WITHOUT KAWHI.

Wolves had a tougher schedule than the Spurs,
Look it up my friend

[dabom]

Wolves had a tougher schedule than the Spurs,
Look it up my friend

Strength of schedule is only like 1 or 2 wins over the whole season and yet, Spurs without Kawhi have a better record.

[Hoops Czar]

Wolves had a tougher schedule than the Spurs,
Look it up my friend

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