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    I forgot that LMA played with Cunningham in Portland. You know that’s a big part of this.

    LMA is now our main man!

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    A person gets a good job, playing for the best sports org in the world....

    Lets be happy for him......

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    Spurs should continue to move away from two big man lineups; just have LMA start at the five and Gasol be his backup with Bertans and Gay at the four.

    I wouldn't be opposed to having Metu as the 3rd center, technically the 6th big.
    Honestly you're probably right. I'd rather give him the rest of the MLE so we have him under 4 years of a low cost contract. Start developing him sooner too.

    But I don't think PATFO will do that.

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    Yeah, PATFO, Jabari Parker. It's all about Forbes, Bertans and Cunningham...

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    Decent stretch 4 who can kinda but shouldn't play the 3. I'm not a fan of the player but it's not a bad signing.

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    Yeah, PATFO, Jabari Parker. It's all about Forbes, Bertans and Cunningham...
    Jabari Parker is fat and cancerous. He also got 20 mil a season. The is your point?

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    Jabari Parker is fat and cancerous. He also got 20 mil a season. The is your point?
    That only a re would rather have Forbes, Bertans, and Cunningham over Parker.

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    Jabari Parker is fat and cancerous. He also got 20 mil a season. The is your point?
    Seriously

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    That only a re would rather have Forbes, Bertans, and Cunningham over Parker.
    Who said I would rather have him over them? Tbh only a re would think it matters because the spurs didn't have cap space to sign him or anyone else they've signed

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    Plus jabari parker sucks ass just because he was drafted high and scores doesn't meant he's any good

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    Gotta have a Joffrey Louverne type signing every off-season. This is it.

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    Plus jabari parker sucks ass just because he was drafted high and scores doesn't meant he's any good
    He’s pretty good. I remember him playing against Kawhi two seasons ago. He scored 30 points and Bucks beat Spurs in San Antonio. He may not be a superstar, but if he can stop tearing his ACL, he can be all star level.

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    Pretty solid signing for the minimum. The Spurs obviously want to be compe ive this coming season, as evident by calling Belinelli at 12:01, so Cunningham fits pretty well with their win-now priorities without sacrificing salary cap room in future campaigns.

    My bet is that Cunningham plays strictly power forward for the Spurs. He was never really quick enough to hang with the faster small forwards to begin with. At the wrong side of 30, that'll be be even moreso the case. Adding a somewhat reliable three-point shot makes it possible to picture him as an Horry-type player. At PF, he's also a really good pick-and-roll defender. All in all, he can soak up minutes at PF next to Aldridge or Gasol at C without hurting the Spurs. Not too bad for the minimum.

    I remember the Spurs were supposedly interested in him a few years ago but a lot of teams backed off when he got hit with domestic violence charges. It turned out that she probably exaggerated or completely made it up.
    If the Spurs goal was to be compe ive this year they have failed. They let TP go, lost Kyle and replaced them with Beli/Cunningham.

    I don’t think you can say the goal was to take a step forward with those moves.

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    If the Spurs goal was to be compe ive this year they have failed. They let TP go, lost Kyle and replaced them with Beli/Cunningham.

    I don’t think you can say the goal was to take a step forward with those moves.
    Beli is an upgrade to Parker, and while I was really bummed about Kyle his value to the team was dependent on being high in the forward rotation. If Leonard or DeRozan starts there and Gay is on the bench, it wouldn't make a ton of sense to have Anderson

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    Beli is an upgrade to Parker, and while I was really bummed about Kyle his value to the team was dependent on being high in the forward rotation. If Leonard or DeRozan starts there and Gay is on the bench, it wouldn't make a ton of sense to have Anderson
    Beli is a downgrade from Kyle, TP was a vet that really helped the locker room and Dante is no better than Joff. SA is worse off as of now.

    They were already on thin ice without Kawhi last year (though still very compe ive) and I think unequivocally they are worse today than they were last year taking Kawhi out of the equation.

    White, Murray & Lonnie will have to play well but that is not something you can say on paper would make SA compe ive. They are more expensive than they were last year though for the same or worse players.

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    Mills, Ayres, and Cunningham all spent their rookie season in Portland. Something interesting to note.

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    Beli is a downgrade from Kyle, TP was a vet that really helped the locker room and Dante is no better than Joff. SA is worse off as of now.

    They were already on thin ice without Kawhi last year (though still very compe ive) and I think unequivocally they are worse today than they were last year taking Kawhi out of the equation.

    White, Murray & Lonnie will have to play well but that is not something you can say on paper would make SA compe ive. They are more expensive than they were last year though for the same or worse players.
    Beli is an upgrade to Forbes and Parker, and Kawhi/DeRozan is a massive upgrade to Anderson. I don't know how you can argue they are worse on paper now. I think your position is extremely hard to justify here. I think the roster is too guard-heavy, but there's a clear idea of how the rotation will go now. That alone puts them above last year.

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    Beli is an upgrade to Forbes and Parker, and Kawhi/DeRozan is a massive upgrade to Anderson. I don't know how you can argue they are worse on paper now. I think your position is extremely hard to justify here. I think the roster is too guard-heavy, but there's a clear idea of how the rotation will go now. That alone puts them above last year.
    Agreed 100% plus Murray's continued growth and White's potential impact.

    But not having that klaw sized cloud above them all year is a huge load off in it of itself.

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    Beli is an upgrade to Forbes and Parker, and Kawhi/DeRozan is a massive upgrade to Anderson. I don't know how you can argue they are worse on paper now. I think your position is extremely hard to justify here. I think the roster is too guard-heavy, but there's a clear idea of how the rotation will go now. That alone puts them above last year.
    It’s easy to justify if you don’t make assumptions. Spurs don’t have DeRozan and it’s far from a given they will. They don’t have Kawhi and it’s far from a given that he will suit up if he’s not traded.

    But I am viewing it in the lense of the team last year (sans Kawhi) and this year. Kyle is the best player of impact out of TP, Kyle, Beli & Dante. So on paper, it’s pretty clear to me that SA is worse than last year.

    Of course adding Kawhi or DeRozan would make SA better. But even if you do that, adding Kawhi to SA last season would have made that team better than this one.

    I’m a pretty big believer in White/Murray so I am not fretting that guard play being better even with the logjam.

    But I am saying that Pau will be worse. Kyle is a massive loss assuming Kawhi or DeRozan aren’t there and Beli won’t make up for the loss of Kyle and just because Bertans is 7x more expensive doesn’t mean he will improve.

    SA already had Forbes last year so that doesn’t count.

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    It’s easy to justify if you don’t make assumptions. Spurs don’t have DeRozan and it’s far from a given they will. They don’t have Kawhi and it’s far from a given that he will suit up if he’s not traded.

    But I am viewing it in the lense of the team last year (sans Kawhi) and this year. Kyle is the best player of impact out of TP, Kyle, Beli & Dante. So on paper, it’s pretty clear to me that SA is worse than last year.

    Of course adding Kawhi or DeRozan would make SA better. But even if you do that, adding Kawhi to SA last season would have made that team better than this one.

    I’m a pretty big believer in White/Murray so I am not fretting that guard play being better even with the logjam.

    But I am saying that Pau will be worse. Kyle is a massive loss assuming Kawhi or DeRozan aren’t there and Beli won’t make up for the loss of Kyle and just because Bertans is 7x more expensive doesn’t mean he will improve.

    SA already had Forbes last year so that doesn’t count.
    The Spurs should have either Kawhi, DeRozan, or another quality player who can soak up a lot of Kyle's minutes. If not then something has gone horribly wrong.

    I don't understand the Forbes point. Sure the Spurs had Forbes last year, but he played way more minutes than someone of his (low) talent level should have. IMO the same can be said of Parker, though it was old age/injury instead of talent.

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    I don't think Pau will get worse. He's already as immobile as he will be away from the basket. I also would've preferred the 4/20 Bertans deal over the 2/14.5 one. I also would've preferred the Spurs matched Kyle and simply given Forbes a recommendation to another team given everything he went through-but who knows how bad the Holt marriage situation is especially with regards to being over the tax line (we're only hard capped at the apron, not the tax line). The only way that signing makes sense is if the financial situation is really that bad or Forbes can be packaged in a future trade as roster/salary filler more easily than Kyle (that would also certainly be true).

    Lauvergne was OK offensively and a matador on defense. If you use most of the remaining MLE to lock up Metu for 4 years, then there's way more upside in that situation.

    I don't think Rudy finally being fully healthy and able to play 24-30 minutes a night consistently is being considered enough here. This team looks to be moving in the direction of having a few good iso-ball players surrounded by shooters. A guy like him really helps.

    As far as cheap wing players we could get with the bulk of the MLE I would have preferred Mbah a Moute. He's an actual 3&D guy vs. just shooting the 3-ball. But maybe his shoulder injury is career alternating? Given that and the team's familiarity with Marco, I'm OK with him being on the team.

    Letting Tony walk for anything above the minimum was the correct decision . . . sorry. His situation (Batum/Borrego) is nice and he'll get playing time so I'm happy for him.

    Cunningham isn't a great pick-up what are you gonna do with just the BAE and the minimum available?

    Anyways maybe once Kawhi starts playing . . . he'll be happy to just play basketball. Who knows. I'm 100% certain there will be no trade this summer. We'll see what happens after 12/15.

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