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    It's not spying either. Maybe it is indictable as a computer crime.

    I'm inclined to agree with what hater said. This is mainly about showing up Wikileaks for showing up the USG as corrupt and lying, which touches the core mission of journalism: holding power accountable for what it does.
    following the core mission of journalism isn't a get out of jail free card for crimes committed in the process of doing so.

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    following the core mission of journalism isn't a get out of jail free card for crimes committed in the process of doing so.
    Oh I agree, just countering people saying Assange is somehow a foreigner to the aims and methods of journalism.

    He clearly isn't, the print media seems to have assimilated his model.

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    Snowden should start investigating those suspect deaths of journalists since he's in mother Russia then. Let's see how exposing putin works out for him.

    Just sayin..
    Snowden is an investigator now?

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    Snowden is an investigator now?
    Ignorance is bliss then.

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    Ignorance is bliss then.
    Do you even know what was Snowdens profession?

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    Do you even know what was Snowdens profesión?
    That is irrelevant to what's in his quote to which I replied to.

    If it's actually his to begin with. You cant say government A are criminals while also hiding in one that's just as bad, if not worse. Also one that is fairly hostile toward us to begin with.

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    Disappointing that she would say something that stupid (if it is a real quote)

    Journalism is publishing info and reporting info -

    if a person steals a do ent and gives it to a journalist and the journalist publishes -

    only the hacker/thief is prosecuted and the journalist is protected by the first amendment


    if a journalist STEALS OR HACKS a do ent and then publishes it - they might not get prosecuted for publishing it -
    but they will get prosecuted for stealing it/hacking it

    big difference

    also

    this piece of assange - NEVER - exposed anything from Russia - did he?

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    If we've learned anything it's the you have to create the do ent from thin air and claim it to be from sources, then publish it. Stealing is just wrong.

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    you can access the indictment here

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr...e/file/1153481

    1 count for conspiracy to commit computer intrustion
    ....elements of which include ordinary journalistic activities like having a system for secure, anonymized transfer of information and protecting sources.

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    also

    this piece of assange - NEVER - exposed anything from Russia - did he?
    You sir, are an idiot

    https://wikileaks.org//spyfiles/russia/

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    ....elements of which include ordinary journalistic activities like having a system for secure, anonymized transfer of information and protecting sources.
    lol no

    He's not charged with helping Manning encrypt files to put in Dropbox.

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    lol no

    He's not charged with helping Manning encrypt files to put in Dropbox.
    I skimmed the indictment, that is an element of the conspiracy. I get that it's not unusual for a criminal context to render otherwise legal activities illegal, but it's simply obtuse to insist that this indictment doesn't describe ordinary features of journalism as elements of a criminal conspiracy.

    All a President would have to do to neuter a paper is declare it a hostile intelligence service, then go after journos for conspiring with sources.

    As unlikely as that eventuality seems, this kind of prosecution can have a chilling effect on the press far short of it..

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    The truth is whatever the leader says it is.

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    She's a whole new kind of nut. I can see why you like her.

    Some of the things she had said are beyond being high.

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    ....elements of which include ordinary journalistic activities like having a system for secure, anonymized transfer of information and protecting sources.
    assange isn't being tried for having a system for secure transfers of information

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    assange isn't being tried for having a system for secure transfers of information
    I didn't say he was, though additional charges might be laid once Assange gets here.

    What I said, or was trying to say, is that some of the elements of the conspiracy sound a lot like ordinary journalistic practices.

    It's possible the USG is pursuing a narrowly tailored case just for Assange, while seeking to intimidate the press at the same time.

    It's frankly not too hard to imagine Trump outlawing a major newspaper at this point.

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    I didn't say he was, though additional charges might be laid once Assange gets here.

    What I said, or was trying to say, is that some of the elements of the conspiracy sound a lot like ordinary journalistic practices.

    It's possible the USG is pursuing a narrowly tailored case just for Assange, while seeking to intimidate the press at the same time.

    It's frankly not too hard to imagine Trump outlawing a major newspaper at this point.
    what specifically are you concerned about from the existing indictment?

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    what specifically are you concerned about from the existing indictment?
    I'm concerned for the same reason everyone else is; the case could be used as a template to wreck media outlets unfriendly to the government and/or to chill all unfavorable coverage.

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    I'm concerned for the same reason everyone else is; the case could be used as a template to wreck media outlets unfriendly to the government and/or to chill all unfavorable coverage.
    you referred to specific elements of the indictment that concerned you.. can you point them out? page/line

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    Sure, I'll be in the car for the next hour or so, happy to cite when I safely can.

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    makes the case that the US gov case is strictly political revenge

    7 Years of Lies About Assange Won’t Stop Now

    https://consortiumnews.com/2019/04/12/7-years-of-lies-about-assange-wont-stop-now/

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    makes the case that the US gov case is strictly political revenge

    7 Years of Lies About Assange Won’t Stop Now

    https://consortiumnews.com/2019/04/12/7-years-of-lies-about-assange-wont-stop-now/
    From the moment he sought asylum, Assange was cast as an outlaw.
    Well, seeking asylum to avoid criminal prosecution will do that.

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    Well, seeking asylum to avoid criminal prosecution will do that.
    Except he was not charged with anything when he sought asylum

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