LaMarcus Aldridge Gives Back $7.25 Million in Buyout with Spurs (Edit: Woj Says $5.8 Million) (Edit 2: Ouch, Looks Like Only $2.7 Million Now) (Edit 3: Wait, it might actually be $7.25 million)

[Teamduncan21]

If that's the case. Then it seems lauri is really the remaining choice and holmes. Things can change. We might end up getting collins.
Another is sign and trade derozan. (if any, as for example celtics got tpe for hayward. So that might not yield value)

But it seems we are trying to get as much flexibility as possible to have the salary to extend or sign trade etc

[timvp]

we can't sign cause he's a RFA in the West, only East teams can make offers

Never heard of that rule, tbh . . . . .

[Trueblood]

You'd be hard pressed to find someone who has been more supportive of PAFO over the years. I've always been able to identify the silver lining in most of their moves. At best I can equate them to a very smart poker player. No one likes playing poker with that guy that just folds bad hands constantly (personally I am that guy) but it usually gets results because they stay in the game longer than those who take risks and when they eventually bluff everyone believes them.

They try not to make bad moves and that usually means folding and not making any. Even the Pau trade (rightfully one of their more glaring mistakes) was meant to clear up room for a CP3 offer. They never report what they have in the works so we don't know the way other fan bases do. They play to their strengths (the draft) and they value winning and culture above all. It's been said repeatedly by some of the major outlets that after 20 years of dominance and the nephew trade that other teams don't want to trade with us. Basically we're down and they're all either kicking us or simply enjoying the show.

That being said, this all makes no sense to me. We have 4 expiring contracts, 3 of which are former all stars, and we can't find one decent trade? We buy out the first, and dare I say only, FA in his prime to come here? We know that our best player wants to walk in the off season and we can't even get 1 first rounder for him? Meanwhile OKC is nipping at our heals in the standings and consistently beating us all while sitting on what? 18 draft picks over the next 5 years? Our youth movement is supposed to be this inspiring group but they are all at best fringe all-stars. I doubt any of them ever receive an MVP vote.

At the beginning of the season I said we should trade both DDR & LA to contenders for two late first rounders (this was before LA fell off), let the young guys develop, get a high lottery pick, use the lottery pick and the two first rounders to move up as high as possible and find our next cornerstone. By the time that player developed our youth movement would be a strong established group of veterans and we could make a solid run. Instead we ran it back (the low risk move) and now we will lose DDR and Gay to FA and throw bad money to overpay some soft euro that pop can drink wine with.

The only possible reasons I could come up with is
1) they are worried about the impact of covid on the NBA and are proactively getting ready for some drastic moves by the league like lowering the cap dramatically (I know in the school I work at we're told the impact from attendance issues caused by covid are going to dramatically impact schools budgets but it takes two years before today's issues are factored into the budget; perhaps the nba is the same and the team is bracing for what the lack of fans and attendance will do to the salary cap).
2) they are desperately trying to keep the value of the team up to get ready to sell (I'm looking at you Vega's getting the raiders and then our hockey and WNBA affiliate and now want the spurs to complete the silver and black theme).
3) they believe their smarter than everyone else and they would rather play the long game of not making bad moves and waiting for the right one (this is the most likely, but if true then people's assessment that we are now the Knicks of the west is also true).

Bottom line, the SA media will never call them out and say what we're (mostly) all thinking and saying. We need TIMVP to do the writeup the MSM won't do and confront the organization with the questions the fans have that we want answered. IMO it won't do anything but someone needs to try something and at this point he has the most prominent platform to make our concerns heard.

[Dejounte]

If that's the case. Then it seems lauri is really the remaining choice and holmes. Things can change. We might end up getting collins.
Another is sign and trade derozan. (if any, as for example celtics got tpe for hayward. So that might not yield value)

But it seems we are trying to get as much flexibility as possible to have the salary to extend or sign trade etc

[Dejounte]

Bottom line, the SA media will never call them out and say what we're (mostly) all thinking and saying. We need TIMVP to do the writeup the MSM won't do and confront the organization with the questions the fans have that we want answered. IMO it won't do anything but someone needs to try something and at this point he has the most prominent platform to make our concerns heard.

Good luck. Nothing's going to change. Nobody is going to create a pe ion. I would sign it, but it ain't happening. This forum is only a place for people to vent and throw at each other. Just enjoy the ride. No way the Spurs organization gives this platform a listen when it stands for everything they're against.

[mo7888]

The Athletic (Hollinger) is steadfast saying Atlanta was open to trading JC at the deadline but got not suitable offers.

[Dejounte]

The Athletic (Hollinger) is steadfast saying Atlanta was open to trading JC at the deadline but got not suitable offers.

I think it was due diligence. Here's the full quote from what I shared earlier:

“We’ve been steadfast that we view John as a big part of our team, a big part of our franchise, and like with all our players, we do our due diligence to see what their value is, but I don’t think that you’ve ever heard myself or anybody else in the Hawks organization say that we don’t place great value on John. We do,” Schlenk said. “We never had any serious conversations, with any team, about moving him this year.”

[mo7888]

I think it was due diligence. Here's the full quote from what I shared earlier:

“We’ve been steadfast that we view John as a big part of our team, a big part of our franchise, and like with all our players, we do our due diligence to see what their value is, but I don’t think that you’ve ever heard myself or anybody else in the Hawks organization say that we don’t place great value on John. We do,” Schlenk said. “We never had any serious conversations, with any team, about moving him this year.”

I think they preferred to move him but only for a real haul because they do value him. I also think they'll match his offer sheet and either look to trade him in a year or so to extract value or trade Hunter becausethey won't want to pay both the monies they'll garner.

[BacktoBasics]

Good luck. Nothing's going to change. Nobody is going to create a pe ion. I would sign it, but it ain't happening. This forum is only a place for people to vent and throw at each other. Just enjoy the ride. No way the Spurs organization gives this platform a listen when it stands for everything they're against.

Based on all the racist, phobic and intolerant said here if a member of the Spurs organization ever actually read this place they’d surely send a cease and desist letter to have their name removed.

[Dverde]

You'd be hard pressed to find someone who has been more supportive of PAFO over the years. I've always been able to identify the silver lining in most of their moves. At best I can equate them to a very smart poker player. No one likes playing poker with that guy that just folds bad hands constantly (personally I am that guy) but it usually gets results because they stay in the game longer than those who take risks and when they eventually bluff everyone believes them.

They try not to make bad moves and that usually means folding and not making any. Even the Pau trade (rightfully one of their more glaring mistakes) was meant to clear up room for a CP3 offer. They never report what they have in the works so we don't know the way other fan bases do. They play to their strengths (the draft) and they value winning and culture above all. It's been said repeatedly by some of the major outlets that after 20 years of dominance and the nephew trade that other teams don't want to trade with us. Basically we're down and they're all either kicking us or simply enjoying the show.

That being said, this all makes no sense to me. We have 4 expiring contracts, 3 of which are former all stars, and we can't find one decent trade? We buy out the first, and dare I say only, FA in his prime to come here? We know that our best player wants to walk in the off season and we can't even get 1 first rounder for him? Meanwhile OKC is nipping at our heals in the standings and consistently beating us all while sitting on what? 18 draft picks over the next 5 years? Our youth movement is supposed to be this inspiring group but they are all at best fringe all-stars. I doubt any of them ever receive an MVP vote.

At the beginning of the season I said we should trade both DDR & LA to contenders for two late first rounders (this was before LA fell off), let the young guys develop, get a high lottery pick, use the lottery pick and the two first rounders to move up as high as possible and find our next cornerstone. By the time that player developed our youth movement would be a strong established group of veterans and we could make a solid run. Instead we ran it back (the low risk move) and now we will lose DDR and Gay to FA and throw bad money to overpay some soft euro that pop can drink wine with.

The only possible reasons I could come up with is
1) they are worried about the impact of covid on the NBA and are proactively getting ready for some drastic moves by the league like lowering the cap dramatically (I know in the school I work at we're told the impact from attendance issues caused by covid are going to dramatically impact schools budgets but it takes two years before today's issues are factored into the budget; perhaps the nba is the same and the team is bracing for what the lack of fans and attendance will do to the salary cap).
2) they are desperately trying to keep the value of the team up to get ready to sell (I'm looking at you Vega's getting the raiders and then our hockey and WNBA affiliate and now want the spurs to complete the silver and black theme).
3) they believe their smarter than everyone else and they would rather play the long game of not making bad moves and waiting for the right one (this is the most likely, but if true then people's assessment that we are now the Knicks of the west is also true).

Bottom line, the SA media will never call them out and say what we're (mostly) all thinking and saying. We need TIMVP to do the writeup the MSM won't do and confront the organization with the questions the fans have that we want answered. IMO it won't do anything but someone needs to try something and at this point he has the most prominent platform to make our concerns heard.

As hard as it sucks, Pop did help us win championships, we just gotta accept this FO is going to let him unknowingly sabotage the franchise for a couple more years. I think things will change once he retires. GM Wright will know his free ride is over and he’ll get fired if Spurs are not winning. I think he is handcuffed by Pop (maybe also RC) from doing roster moves.

[Dejounte]

I think they preferred to move him but only for a real haul because they do value him. I also think they'll match his offer sheet and either look to trade him in a year or so to extract value or trade Hunter becausethey won't want to pay both the monies they'll garner.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love it if Collins came here. But it's looking more and more like hoping the Spurs would make a trade deadline trade. Not gonna get my hopes up for something where all the signs seem to point one way.

[mo7888]

Don't get me wrong. I'd love it if Collins came here. But it's looking more and more like hoping the Spurs would make a trade deadline trade. Not gonna get my hopes up for something where all the signs seem to point one way.

I don't think there's any real chance we get JC...

[KingKev]

PG
Dejounte Murray
Patty Mills
Tre Jones
*Quinndary Weatherspoon

SG / Wing
Derrick White
Devin Vassell
*Cam Reynolds
Lonnie Walker

Big Wing
DeMar DeRozan
Keldon Johnson
Keita Bates Diop

Stretch Big
Rudy Gay
Luka Samanic
*Trey Lyles

Anchor Big
Jakob Poeltl
Drew Eubanks
*Marquese Chriss

*Low odds of being here next season

If Mills leaves, there's room for us to sign a PG to take his minutes. Maybe Kyle Lowry if it isn't too expensive and DeMar is here to stay? If not Kyle, then one of Dennis Schroder, Kris Dunn, or Frank Ntilikina.

If DeMar leaves, then Keldon is promoted to a starter and backup Big Wing is a need. Maybe that's where Cam Reynolds earns his real contract with the Spurs and they play it cheap with KBD backing Keldon up. Or they could sign Tony Snell, Evan Fournier, Otto Porter Jr., Doug McDermott, Nicholas Batum for this spot. I think the latter is more likely since we need to use up the cap space.

If DeMar is gone, I can see Luka being promoted as the starter. Lyles is definitely gone. If Rudy is gone too, that would make this position extremely weak. I think this is where you ideally invest your first round pick for high upside prospects. Then, since the free agent market is poor, maybe find an international player to add depth here.

Lastly, if Marquese Chriss isn't the answer to be our backup C then start digging up the bargain bin for a C. It shouldn't be that hard.

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New Depth Chart, assuming Mills & DeMar both leave:

PG
Dejounte Murray
Kris Dunn
Tre Jones

SG / Wing
Derrick White
Devin Vassell
Lonnie Walker

Big Wing
Keldon Johnson
Evan Fournier
Keita Bates Diop - two way contract

Stretch Big
Luka Samanic
Rudy Gay
International Player - Dinos Mitoglou?
2021 First Round Pick

Anchor Big
Jakob Poeltl
+Bargain Bin Back-up Center
Drew Eubanks
2021 Second Round Pick - two way contract

This is all so depressing. It’s all very realistic but very depressing.

[Dverde]

Don't get me wrong. I'd love it if Collins came here. But it's looking more and more like hoping the Spurs would make a trade deadline trade. Not gonna get my hopes up for something where all the signs seem to point one way.

Talk is just talk. Spurs might still get him by throwing a ton of money at him. I’m still not sold he is a franchise changing cornerstone player, but I know others here are high on him.

[mo7888]

PG
Dejounte Murray
Patty Mills
Tre Jones
*Quinndary Weatherspoon

SG / Wing
Derrick White
Devin Vassell
*Cam Reynolds
Lonnie Walker

Big Wing
DeMar DeRozan
Keldon Johnson
Keita Bates Diop

Stretch Big
Rudy Gay
Luka Samanic
*Trey Lyles

Anchor Big
Jakob Poeltl
Drew Eubanks
*Marquese Chriss

*Low odds of being here next season

If Mills leaves, there's room for us to sign a PG to take his minutes. Maybe Kyle Lowry if it isn't too expensive and DeMar is here to stay? If not Kyle, then one of Dennis Schroder, Kris Dunn, or Frank Ntilikina.

If DeMar leaves, then Keldon is promoted to a starter and backup Big Wing is a need. Maybe that's where Cam Reynolds earns his real contract with the Spurs and they play it cheap with KBD backing Keldon up. Or they could sign Tony Snell, Evan Fournier, Otto Porter Jr., Doug McDermott, Nicholas Batum for this spot. I think the latter is more likely since we need to use up the cap space.

If DeMar is gone, I can see Luka being promoted as the starter. Lyles is definitely gone. If Rudy is gone too, that would make this position extremely weak. I think this is where you ideally invest your first round pick for high upside prospects. Then, since the free agent market is poor, maybe find an international player to add depth here.

Lastly, if Marquese Chriss isn't the answer to be our backup C then start digging up the bargain bin for a C. It shouldn't be that hard.

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New Depth Chart, assuming Mills & DeMar both leave:

PG
Dejounte Murray
Kris Dunn
Tre Jones

SG / Wing
Derrick White
Devin Vassell
Lonnie Walker

Big Wing
Keldon Johnson
Evan Fournier
Keita Bates Diop - two way contract

Stretch Big
Luka Samanic
Rudy Gay
International Player - Dinos Mitoglou?
2021 First Round Pick

Anchor Big
Jakob Poeltl
+Bargain Bin Back-up Center
Drew Eubanks
2021 Second Round Pick - two way contract

Honestly, if you can get DDR and Lowry to sign 2 year deals it does make some sense. In that scenario I do think we need to trade (yeah I know I know) Murray or White (whichever brings back the best future 1st) and possibly resign Mills while letting Rudy walk. Go ahead and start Luka and sign Otto or Batum to back him up. Upgrade the backup C with Theis and we've improved the team short term.

If DDR walks then I'd let Rudy go too. Go young and sign Ntilikina (I'd still trade Murray or White for whatever brings the best return). Upgrade backup C with someone who can shoot from 3 (Olynyk, Theis, maybe Bamba).. and add 3 vets on 2 year deals who can shoot to spread the court and relieve Luka and Keldon when they have growing pains. Mills, Batum, Fournier, and Otto would all be acceptable.

[RC_Drunkford]

I think a DeRozan for Collins sign and trade might still be a possibility. Their have been rumors for a while about a Hawks Derozan deal.

Never heard of that rule, tbh . . . . .

my bad I guess I missread something

[slick'81]

I think a DeRozan for Collins sign and trade might still be a possibility. Their have been rumors for a while about a Hawks Derozan deal.




my bad I guess I missread something

Theres is probably 0% chance hawks held onto jc while hes playing his best ball just to flip him for derozan in a s&t

[Dejounte]

Honestly, if you can get DDR and Lowry to sign 2 year deals it does make some sense. In that scenario I do think we need to trade (yeah I know I know) Murray or White (whichever brings back the best future 1st) and possibly resign Mills while letting Rudy walk. Go ahead and start Luka and sign Otto or Batum to back him up. Upgrade the backup C with Theis and we've improved the team short term.

If DDR walks then I'd let Rudy go too. Go young and sign Ntilikina (I'd still trade Murray or White for whatever brings the best return). Upgrade backup C with someone who can shoot from 3 (Olynyk, Theis, maybe Bamba).. and add 3 vets on 2 year deals who can shoot to spread the court and relieve Luka and Keldon when they have growing pains. Mills, Batum, Fournier, and Otto would all be acceptable.

With the Keldon quote today about DeMar, seems like the young guys are really leaning on DeMar to be their leader. It really feels like DeMar will be our David Robinson of this era and he's here to retire.

If DeMar is back, my preference would be that Gay and Mills both leave. It means we're sticking with Keldon as our starter four probably, so I'd want Luka to get all of those back-up 4 minutes.

Sign a good PG, a shooting wing, an international 4/5 to fill those backup 5 minutes and to relieve either Keldon/ Samanic when they're having youth moments, and finally, draft a high upside 4 in case Samanic isn't cutting it. I would call that a good offseason.

Murray/ Lowry/ Tre
White/ Lonnie/ Fournier
DeMar/ Vassell/ KBD
Keldon/ Luka/ FRP
Poeltl/ International Big/ Eubanks

[mo7888]

With the Keldon quote today about DeMar, seems like the young guys are really leaning on DeMar to be their leader. It really feels like DeMar will be our David Robinson of this era and he's here to retire.

If DeMar is back, my preference would be that Gay and Mills both leave. It means we're sticking with Keldon as our starter four probably, so I'd want Luka to get all of those back-up 4 minutes.

Sign a good PG, a shooting wing, an international 4/5 to fill those backup 5 minutes and to relieve either Keldon/ Samanic when they're having youth moments, and finally, draft a high upside 4 in case Samanic isn't cutting it. I would call that a good offseason.

I saw the Keldon quote... I took that as him being the leader through this difficult time. I still think the odds are that someone Max's him out this summer and we reboot on some firm or fashion. I will admit I'm less confident in predicting what this FO will do though.

[GAustex]

Spurms keeping DDR will be a test for many of their fans.

[Dejounte]

Spurms keeping DDR will be a test for many of their fans.

[Joseph Kony]

Lowry isnt coming here and he certainly isnt going to come here to be a backup

[Dejounte]

Lowry isnt coming here and he certainly isnt going to come here to be a backup

True. Maybe Kris Dunn or Dennis Schroder...



Kris abusing DeMar in a lot of these clips. Pretty impressive for a point guard. IMO, Atlanta won't have money to keep him after paying Collins.

[gambit1990]

or Dennis Schroder...

[gambit1990]

spurs gonna buyout lyles now that jeff teague is available?