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When? I was talking visual not population dumbass.
And since we seem to be on the subject, they have the Nextel Cup Chase Championship race.
When? I was talking visual not population dumbass.
But.....
they are not even close to the Sports town that San Antonio is!
No, you were not, kiddo.
Yes they have all that. But they're not a sports town. They'd rather go clubbing and lay out on the beach.
Have you been to Miami? San Antonio isn't even close to a Miami bro.
Yes I have dip .
Many times actually.
San Antonio is not close to it, I know, bro.
I'm tallking as a sports city, Miami isn't one.
I seriously doubt that you have been there.
What is a Sports city then? Please give me an example.
Yeah, I have. Summer of 2000, 2001, and 2003.
Boston, Chicago, Detroit, New York City, Philly.What is a Sports city then? Please give me an example.
What about Atlanta? they have a sports complex and they have hosted the olympics?
According to the list that you just posted, Miami would top it in a heartbeat.
Atlanta?
How does hosting the Olympics make you a sports city?
Is Athens some bad ass sports city?
Atlanta offered the best deal possible and won the games.
Ever seen a Hawks game on tv? How about the Falcons pre-Vick?
WTF!?According to the list that you just posted, Miami would top it in a heartbeat.
I'm not talking how many sports teams and sporting events cities host, I'm talking about fan support.
fans support winners. if the spurs were annual losers, they probably wouldn't be in sa anymore.
wake up.
you forgot Denver to, idiot.
And you know this as a certain fact?
Ok.wake up.
Denver, SF, maybe Minny.
I gave you the clipnotes, didn't think I needed to spell it out for ya.
Grand vision for East Side
Web Posted: 11/23/2005 12:00 AM CST
Elizabeth Allen
Express-News Staff Writer
Developers who want to do a mammoth sports and entertainment complex centered around the SBC Center had their coming-out party Tuesday at the Red Berry Mansion.
The catered news conference announced a vision in its nascent stage, said HollyHills Chairman Dan Bailey. He said the announcement was made early because of recent media attention to HollyHills activities.
Bailey, along with Vice Chairwoman Marlene Bailey, CEO Joe Heitzler and EDAW design firm Principal Ken Ryan, sat before a green velvet curtain, surrounded by images of professional sports fields, a NASCAR track, shaded shopping venues and condominium towers on man-made lakes.
Phase I of the plan would include the NASCAR track, hotel, retail development, movie theaters, and colorful plants and landscape elements at major highway exits, Bailey said, and begin in about two years.
It would take in the city's Willow Springs Golf Course and the Red Berry Mansion, which owner Bill Tidwell has agreed to sell to HollyHills along with surrounding properties, many of which the Baileys have said they are in the process of buying.
Heitzler said it would be six months before they have estimates on the project's cost.
A single sports stadium can easily cost $500 million, so the whole plan, which developers say could take a decade to build out as population growth supports it, would likely run into the billions.
Reaction to the plan, which HollyHills has been privately shopping for months, was a mixture of admiration and skepticism.
Local commercial real estate broker Tom Rohde called it "the best real estate presentation I have ever seen." He also said, "I don't know where the money comes from."
District 2 City Councilwoman Sheila McNeil said she's excited about the developers' interest in investing in the long-neglected East Side but is cautious about the hurdles they face.
"This was an impressive press conference," McNeil said. "Maybe this can become a possibility."
With the panache that helped EDAW win a contract to redesign the grounds of Bexar County's arenas complex around the SBC Center, Ryan presented reporters and curious real estate professionals with a 3-D multimedia illustration of a 1,000-acre sports and entertainment complex that included water taxis, a signature bridge, hotel, resort and offices.
It's not all about developing multiple sports venues, Ryan said. "It's about creating great public spaces."
Mayor Phil Hardberger, who did not attend the news conference but had seen the plan Monday, said, "It's realistic if HollyHills has enough backing to get it done — these are major projects.
"I don't know enough about HollyHills to say whether they can do everything they're planning. Clearly, that's going to be their job — to get the funding."
Bailey said the project will require the efforts of the entire city and "all the people."
It's a plus that San Francisco-based EDAW is working with local firm Kell Muñoz Architects and others on the redesign of the county's property, Ryan said, and the company has included that factor in its concept for the long-neglected area from the beginning.
Ryan added that newly hired former Mayor Ed Garza would be taking the lead on the Bexar County work.
Kell Muñoz Chief Executive Officer Henry Muñoz said he wants to set up a firewall between the public project and the private one — at least for a while.
County Judge Nelson Wolff has said the county must focus first on its own site.
"I think it was very positive, what they're trying to do there," said Wolff, who did not attend the news conference but had seen versions of the plan. "There's still the unanswered question of, what do they expect the public sector to contribute."
Heitzler said he'll be meeting with venture capitalists to raise funds for the project and that should cover up to 80 percent of the costs.
"But we are looking for whatever support it takes," he said.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/met...de.df611e3.htm
^^^^ I felt like posting this again.
SA210 is BuddyHolly as well? Didn't he try to make his own forum 210 something? Weak.
This is what I'm talking about. This kind of thinking is exactly why San Antonio remains a 2nd class city. This is why we are no Miami or any other so called wonderful city.
Sooner or later someone has to have the balls to say, hey, this is what we are going to be. San Antonio in a couple of years is gonna pop, that is a fact. We should be ready for it, whether it be fixing streets, jobs, housing and yes even sports complexes.
Those great cities that are being mentioned have, in a way already reached alot of their potential. San Antonio hasn't yet. We are starting to see the light, and thank god we have a mayor with some balls, finally.
And The Writer, please man, don't give in to people who say SA will never be Houston, SA will never be Denver, or whatever bs excuse of what SA will never be. It's ok to say, you know what, we CAN be. It's OK to say we CAN be better. Let's stop this small thinking, this "we are not deserving", "no way in SA" thinking, and we will be a top notch city come in the future. I'm on that bus.
Backwater town? Only because those who believe it. And it also makes me think in a way, they want to believe that.
And the doubters from now will just have to roll there eyes in the future.
SA's my town, and we can be a whole lot better than other cities. It's gotta start somewhere. Saying it's a backwater town and accepting that; isn't gonna get it done. That's being realistic.
I don't know what you are talking about, a 210 forum?
I'm just posting my thoughts on this issue.
Have you ever been to Martinsville, Va.? That town is not so big 20-30,000 tops and it fills a NASCAR track all the time with fans from WVa., N. Carolina, and Virginia. Nope people won't travel to see NASCAR. I won't because I don't loke any car racing but......I do relize the exposure the city will recieve, the money those fans will bring in will be nice for the city. Those thay don't think it will fly here still don't think we should have raised the roof to HemisFair Arena in the 70's.
According to MLB....the Marlins have only one once......where is the other one? After they won they had a "fire sale".
They beat the Yankees in 2003.
Then why did houston get an NFL expansion team over LA? LA is much bigger...oh yeah I forgot population is the reason.
That is the one....Sequ said they won 2....where is the other one? In any sport.
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