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    welp, I guess the secret is out now. Teams are no longer leaving him open. It was fun while it lasted

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    Dalton Knecht: $3.8, $4.0, $4.2, $6.4

    Champ: $3.0, $3.0, $3.0

    Obvs Knecht looks good in moments and hats off to him for proving people wrong. Def admit Knecht has me second guessing a bit at first lol. But right now I think I'm rolling with Minny future picks assets + Champ who has much more potential upside defensively and can knock down the 3.

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    And that's Dalton's pay at #17

    At #8, selected by the Spurs Knecht would've been earning:

    $5.2, $5.4, $5.7 (Dilly makes: $6.2, $6.5, team option $6.8)

    vs. Champ:

    $3.0, $3.0, $3.0

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    DAVID ROBINSON - 24 Years old his first NBA game.
    MANU GINOBLI - 25 Years old his first NBA game.

    "Knecht is too old at 23."

    NBA front offices and analysts are mostly idiots these days. I am totally serious in saying this. They are fools.

    And it shows.

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    DAVID ROBINSON - 24 Years old his first NBA game.
    MANU GINOBLI - 25 Years old his first NBA game.

    "Knecht is too old at 23."

    NBA front offices and analysts are mostly idiots these days. I am totally serious in saying this. They are fools.

    And it shows.
    Yeah, let's compare a player who committed to Navy and a Euroleague MVP with a zero defense, zero self-creation shooter just because you're clueless.
    Not to mention how much more common it was for players to come into the league older than it is now.
    Everyone worth a damn is in the league at 20, at the latest.

    But since you got nothing to cry about, you're going to cry about a worse version of Belinelli.

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    Yeah, let's compare a player who committed to Navy and a Euroleague MVP with a zero defense, zero self-creation shooter just because you're clueless.
    Not to mention how much more common it was for players to come into the league older than it is now.
    Everyone worth a damn is in the league at 20, at the latest.

    But since you got nothing to cry about, you're going to cry about a worse version of Belinelli.
    POP?? Is that you?

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    No, you're just completely clueless about basketball, tbh.
    Knecht had a good start because noone cared about a rookie, but since everyone figured out he's just a shooter who can't do anything else, he's been pretty bad.

    Since he had that 37 points game, he's averaged 12/5/1 in 30mpg over 7 games while being the worst defender on the Lakers and that's not an easy thing to do.
    41/33/55 shooting splits, looking like a couple inches taller Bryn Forbes out there.

    But some of you people are either completely clueless or just like stirring up in here for the sake of it.
    Champagnie is a couple months younger than Knecht and obviously a better player...while making less money.

    Could we have used another shooter? Obviously, but Knecht just can't play SF and we've got enough guards already.

    We can complain about many things, but not drafting Knecht isn't one of them.

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    No, you're just completely clueless about basketball, tbh.
    Knecht had a good start because noone cared about a rookie, but since everyone figured out he's just a shooter who can't do anything else, he's been pretty bad.

    Since he had that 37 points game, he's averaged 12/5/1 in 30mpg over 7 games while being the worst defender on the Lakers and that's not an easy thing to do.
    41/33/55 shooting splits, looking like a couple inches taller Bryn Forbes out there.

    But some of you people are either completely clueless or just like stirring up in here for the sake of it.
    Champagnie is a couple months younger than Knecht and obviously a better player...while making less money.

    Could we have used another shooter? Obviously, but Knecht just can't play SF and we've got enough guards already.

    We can complain about many things, but not drafting Knecht isn't one of them.
    He's been TERRIBLE. And he's terrible tonight. Once the secret was out and teams saw he couldn't defend, they started picking on him and stopped leaving him open. HIs last 3 games is what I expected of him in the league. They just stopped leaving him open and he looks very average. You can tell when he's playing bad because this thread drops lower and lower on the site. I'm not going to let it go to the 2nd page for the rest of the season.

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    3 turnovers and 2 points tonight. We really missed out on this guy hahaha

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    I pretty much nailed it on page 1 of this thread.
    The "fit" concern was that he would not get PT behind Vassell and others.
    I should have know Devin would be hurt a lot.. ugh..
    How many times will Knecht need to do this before SpursFan admits it was a huge mistake not drafting him?

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    Dalton Knecht: $3.8, $4.0, $4.2, $6.4

    Champ: $3.0, $3.0, $3.0

    Obvs Knecht looks good in moments and hats off to him for proving people wrong. Def admit Knecht has me second guessing a bit at first lol. But right now I think I'm rolling with Minny future picks assets + Champ who has much more potential upside defensively and can knock down the 3.
    And that's Dalton's pay at #17

    At #8, selected by the Spurs Knecht would've been earning:

    $5.2, $5.4, $5.7 (Dilly makes: $6.2, $6.5, team option $6.8)

    vs. Champ:

    $3.0, $3.0, $3.0
    https://stathead.com/tiny/cHS8k

    If, IF Champ gets his 3 pt % up a bit and Knecht's drops a bit it's probably a no brainier between the 2.
    Last edited by Maddog; 12-05-2024 at 07:17 AM.

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    bump

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    welp, I guess the secret is out now. Teams are no longer leaving him open. It was fun while it lasted
    I wonder if Tony Parker was telling media why he was being left open???

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    This thread has been QUIET!!!!!

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    not sure why they dumped him down the depth chart so hard

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    not sure why they dumped him down the depth chart so hard
    He's a liability on defense and once a man sticks with him and doesn't double down on AD, he's borderline worthless. Teams have figured out what many of us already knew. And some of yall thought he was future all time great

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    He's a liability on defense and once a man sticks with him and doesn't double down on AD, he's borderline worthless. Teams have figured out what many of us already knew. And some of yall thought he was future all time great
    He has Reed Sheppard disease. If a guy is near him he's neutralized.

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    DAVID ROBINSON - 24 Years old his first NBA game.
    MANU GINOBLI - 25 Years old his first NBA game.

    "Knecht is too old at 23."

    NBA front offices and analysts are mostly idiots these days. I am totally serious in saying this. They are fools.

    And it shows.
    were comparing him to two hall of famers, one who was playing high level games in Europe, while the other only came in late due to a military obligation.....

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    Dejounte, you really need to read this to understand the older player bias that myself, and apparently every FO has against taking them in the lottery. It’s backed by numerical analysis of expected player output by draft slot.

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    I was considering Knecht at 8, absolutely. It was a weak draft. He has a skill set we could use and was fairly ready to go. Knecht had an atypical path which potentially countered the old player statistical argue against him, combined with some recency bias of Jaquez and Desmond Bane doing well as older players.

    He may fizz out or he may adapt to the NBA. People writing him off after 25 games seems a little early, but we'll see.

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    I find that stupid to look back at trades with hindsight but it's hard to criticize the #8 pick trade right now. Most of the prospects available at #8 haven't looked good and Minny isn't doing well.

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    I'm still happy we didn't take him, but i didn't think he deserved to fall this low

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    I guess this draft currently has an incomplete grade with all the toddlers taken but it has been mostly garbage for providing teams immediate help. I did want to draft shooters after Castle to see what could happen but spending the money on vets has paid off.

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    In some ways Knecht has already overachieved by even being drafted. His career is not over.....yet.

    I do suspect, like many have already surmised, if Salaun was there at 8, we'd have grabbed him. Probably an archetype we draft at some point unless Giannis comes here.

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