What kind or Christian is W?

[bigzak25]

shut up

we need that mirror again.

[bigzak25]

I'm talking about God's word. From God's word u find faith, but you find God's word only partially true. That makes alot of sense.

the Good Book was written by Man. Man is sinful by nature. The Bible is not perfect. Is that so hard to comprehend?

[SA210]

So it is the word of God or it isn't?

[bigzak25]

you decide on your own. i'm not a teacher. i'm a follower.

[SA210]

you decide on your own. i'm not a teacher. i'm a follower.

A follower of Christ? Christ from the bible that's only partially true?

[bigzak25]

partially true are your words, not mine.

[SA210]

"It's NOT perfect" are Your words. God's word is not perfect?

[bigzak25]

God's words yes. Man's words no.

[smeagol]

partially true are your words, not mine.

Zaq, the questions I have asked you have gone unanswered.

I said we were not qualified to discuss religion. You said otherwise so i shot some questions your direction but you are fixated in your defense of Mr. GWB.

[SA210]

Zak. You have enlightened me.

[bigzak25]

Your too stubborn. And i'm still learning. It's not meant to be at this time.

I'm sorry smeagol. I'll look now.

[SA210]

Your too stubborn. And i'm still learning.

I may be stubborn to acknowledge Bushs' actions as Christ-like. Your right about that.

[bigzak25]

True.

Let me start by asking what is your Christian denomination?

I am catholic by birth. I was baptised as a child and got communion.

never got confirmation. when through the rebellious teenage (at least in my case) of wanting PROOF of God, then started going to Baptist Church. Which i really enjoy, as the Pasturs can get married, and it's not as ceremonial at catholic church, although the catholic church is coming around, but anyhow, and then the message, i've always been able to learn more, and get more out of Baptist Church. However, having said that, I currently attend a wesleyan church, which, as far as i can tell, is just like baptist. I plan to get baptised very soon.

But I must say, I wish to learn about EVERY Church that preaches the Jesus Christ is the Truth, The Light and The Way.

[Crookshanks]

The Bible is God's word and it is perfect. There are no mistakes and no contridictions. Yes, it was written by men, but the words were the inspired words of God. Yes, there have been many translations over time, but they stay true to the original greek and hebrew texts.

You cannot truly believe in God if you won't believe in His word. The bible says, "faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God."

And I still don't know why you think Bush's actions are not Christ-like. What SPECIFICALLY are you referring to?

[bigzak25]

As a born again Christian, I'm assuming your only source of religious truth is the Bible. And how to interpret the Bible is up to each individual, because once we accepted Jesus as our savior, the Holy Spirit guides us in this interpretation (of the Bible).

YES!

If this is true, how come there are so many Protestant denominations? Some believe in predestination, some don't. Some believe its wrong to drink, some don't. Some believe you are saved by Faith alone, some believe you need to through works into the equation.

We are all sinners. I believe the in the Bible, it says the ONLY sin that is not forgiven is blasphemy against the holy spirit. That could be interpreted in many ways, suicide being the most apparent. But until one is united with his/her holy spirit? How can they blasphem against it? Maybe it means that once Saved, if you THEN turn your back on Jesus, that is not fogiven. I dunno, i can only speculate.

As for the protestant church, I am ignorant. We have free will. God has a plan, but he is watching us and helping us in spite of ourselves. We are saved by Faith IN Jesus Christ as the Son, but yeah, once Saved by our Faith, we must WALK as Jesus walked. That does not mean we won't stumble, fall, or get a bit lost, but we must always return to the path or face dire consequences. As for drinking? Well, all i know is Jesus drank wine. But then, he proclaimed that he would not drink wine again until his return. I'm battling this demon right now. I THINK i've finally defeated alcohol. I hope so. I BELIEVE I have, so i'll say i have. But I hang out in bars. My friends drink. To each their own.

If the Holy Spirit is guiding us to interpret the Bible (and therefore there is no need for and "outside" authority to help us understand that complex and sometimes contradicting book known as the Holy Bible) Protestantisim should be much more genious than what it actually is.

What's your take?

Again, i am ignorant about protestantism, BUT, just because our holy spirits are guiding us, doesn't mean we can't learn from others, namely scholars. I've learned much from pastuers over the past few months. BUT, i must finish the new testament. I am failing in this regard. Obvious by the fact that I've spent all day on this forum so far...

oh well. the day is NOT over.

[bigzak25]

Another question related to the previous one. As a born again Christian I believe you are a proponent of Sola Scriptura. Given that Sola Scriptura is not supported by the Bible, what's your taking on this issue?

Thanks

i'm not sure what sola scriptura is about, even after reading about it via google...sorry.

[nkdlunch]

The Bible is God's word and it is perfect. There are no mistakes and no contridictions. Yes, it was written by men, but the words were the inspired words of God. Yes, there have been many translations over time, but they stay true to the original greek and hebrew texts.

You cannot truly believe in God if you won't believe in His word. The bible says, "faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God."

so you beleive all gays and adulterers should be killed??

And I still don't know why you think Bush's actions are not Christ-like. What SPECIFICALLY are you referring to?

r u serious????

for one, being responsible for the killing of tens of thousands of Iraqis + americans soldiers.

[bigzak25]

^as long as you sing his praises when the Iraqi's are truly liberated and prospering.

deal?

[SA210]

so you beleive all gays and adulterers should be killed??

r u serious????

for one, being responsible for the killing of tens of thousands of Iraqis + americans soldiers.

exactly. But no, how could anyone see that.

[nkdlunch]

^as long as you sing his praises when the Iraqi's are truly liberated and prospering.

deal?

truly liberated with american bases permanently on their home soil

[SA210]

truly liberated with american bases permanently on their home soil

In the name of Jesus of course.

[smeagol]

i'm not sure what sola scriptura is about, even after reading about it via google...sorry.

Sola Scriptura means your only authority in terms of religion is the Bible.

If you are a believer in Sola Scriptura, you don't put any stock on Tradition or what the early Christians said and did, which was passed on generation to generation, and was capture by the Catholic Church in many of its doctrines (Baptism of Infants, Forgivness of Sins by auricular confesion, Purgatory, teh Papacy and its Infallibility, Honoring the Saints, The Eucharist, The Mass, Marian Beliefs, etc).

[bigzak25]

I don't expect you guys to know what strength in the face of adversity is about. Well, not anymore at least.

[bigzak25]

Sola Scriptura means your only authority in terms of religion is the Bible.

If you are a believer in Sola Scriptura, you don't put any stock on Tradition or what the early Christians said and did, which was passed on generation to generation, and was capture by the Catholic Church in many of its doctrines (Baptism of Infants, Forgivness of Sins by auricular confesion, Purgatory, teh Papacy and its Infallibility, Honoring the Saints, The Eucharist, The Mass, Marian Beliefs, etc).

okay. i think i can agree with this. My authority is God and Jesus, but yeah, through the words of the GoodBook. I can actually SEE.

alot of people in here judging me will be the 1st ones in line to see the davinci code, i can promise you that...ironic.

i like the idea of being baptised as an adult, when we can choose. if that's what Jesus did? That's what I'll do.

[Extra Stout]

We are all sinners. I believe the in the Bible, it says the ONLY sin that is not forgiven is blasphemy against the holy spirit. That could be interpreted in many ways, suicide being the most apparent. But until one is united with his/her holy spirit?

You speak as if there are multiple holy spirits, when the Bible makes clear there is One.