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    Who is this guy, again? travis2's Avatar
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    I think the discussion has been very productive and although it gets a little rough at times, I enjoy exchanging points of view with fellow brothers in Christ, even though I may not agree with them on everything.

    I not only learn about Protestantism but also learn about my own religion.

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    Threads like these never fail to reinforce my belief that Protestantism is merely an exercise in one-upmanship. Catholicism has issues too, but I lack the time and interest to delve into them now.

    The Protestant message is highly interesting - Jesus >>> God ... ? or is it? Perhaps it is, Jesus represents God's way of saying "talk to the hand?"

    One thing I do like about Christianity (especially the Protestants) is hitting the grocery stores around noon on a Sunday. Hot MILFs wearing copious amounts of make-up and sporting panty hose. ... maybe I sould just go to church and overload the senses.

    Yeah Baby!

    Don't shoot the messenger.

    In your view you are already self-justified to do whatever you wish... no one's telling you to do different. We are just taught to have compassion for those people who want and search for something more... If, however they are fine with the status of their lives, we are also taught that GOD gives people opportunities to get to know Him... If they continue to to reject His word... so be it.. no one will force you to believe otherwise... In the end, though, you will have to pay for your actions...

    Ummm JESUS = GOD THE FATHER = THE HOLY SPIRIT.... They are a Triune en y or Trinity.

    Only GOD can forgive sins.

    But it took the blood of GOD himself, GOD incarnate, JESUS to atone for the sins of all humanity.

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    we're cool. What do you think about this.

    I'm an evangelical who married a catholic wife in a catholic church where I baptized my kids and we are all members of an evangelical church.

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    we're cool. What do you think about this.

    I'm an evangelical who married a catholic wife in a catholic church where I baptized my kids and we are all members of an evangelical church.


    I’m a born again Catholic, if such a term exists. I was raised Catholic by my Mom (my Dad is an atheist whom I’m trying to convert with little success ).

    I took my first Communion but slowly stopped going to Church. I experienced a short lived revival when I was 18 but sank into deeper agnosticism in my early 20s.

    I started getting close to the Church again through some friends via long philosophic discussions. By 2001, after reading Mere Christianity and other books I was ready to go to Church again. By the end of 2001, I has committed to Christ, this time, I believe, for good.

    My wife is also agnostic (born and raised a Catholic). My kids (3) are all baptized but too young to learn about God.

    God bless you and your family.

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    we are also taught that GOD gives people opportunities to get to know Him... If they continue to to reject His word... so be it.. no one will force you to believe otherwise... In the end, though, you will have to pay for your actions...

    I do not think you can comprehend my point (a point which I may have made elsewhere, and not necessarily in this thread).

    I am not rejecting God's Word; I am rejecting your words.

    I would happily embrace Christianity, if only I could take the leap of faith which you have. Clarence Darrow summed up my toughts perfectly when he said, "I am an agnostic; I do not pretend to know what many ignorant men are sure of." ... although, I am not necessarily agnostic (anymore).

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    I do not think you can comprehend my point (a point which I may have made elsewhere, and not necessarily in this thread).

    I am not rejecting God's Word; I am rejecting your words.

    I would happily embrace Christianity, if only I could take the leap of faith which you have. Clarence Darrow summed up my toughts perfectly when he said, "I am an agnostic; I do not pretend to know what many ignorant men are sure of." ... although, I am not necessarily agnostic (anymore).
    It's hard for the arrogant. Us ignorant men are so sure because we've experienced the power of God. I'll always be hard on you because your ego gets in the way of your God given talent to communicate.

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    It's hard for the arrogant. Us ignorant men are so sure because we've experienced the power of God. I'll always be hard on you because your ego gets in the way of your God given talent to communicate.
    You know, arrogance and and ignorance are not mutually exclusive. By definition, agnosticism is synonymous with ignorance. ... I am ignorant! Is that better? ... and is there is no arrogance in your tone when you say "Us ignorant men are so sure because we've experienced the power of God," eh?

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    I think my statement illustrates the arrogance of Clarence Darrow, because I just repeated what he said. No way to repeat his quote without sounding arrogant, but if I was out of line I apologize.

    I just have conviction in my heart that God will punish murderers and rapist who get away with their crimes on earth and if you read your bible he says he will punish everyone because we all fall short of his standards. If you take the chance and read the bible you will be smart enough to know it makes all the sense in the world.

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    I think my statement illustrates the arrogance of Clarence Darrow, because I just repeated what he said. No way to repeat his quote without sounding arrogant, but if I was out of line I apologize.

    I just have conviction in my heart that God will punish murderers and rapist who get away with their crimes on earth and if you read your bible he says he will punish everyone because we all fall short of his standards. If you take the chance and read the bible you will be smart enough to know it makes all the sense in the world.
    Nothing to apologize for. For all I know, Clarence Darrow may in fact be the most arrogant SOB to ever walk the face of the Earth, but "pretend to know" reasonates with me on a very deep level. For me to claim that I am a Christian, I would in fact have to "pretend to know," and I refuse to pretend. I'm just wired this way, and disparaging comments serving only to guilt me into believing otherwise will always fall upon deaf ears.

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    Nothing to apologize for. For all I know, Clarence Darrow may in fact be the most arrogant SOB to ever walk the face of the Earth, but "pretend to know" reasonates with me on a very deep level. For me to claim that I am a Christian, I would in fact have to "pretend to know," and I refuse to pretend. I'm just wired this way, and disparaging comments serving only to guilt me into believing otherwise will always fall upon deaf ears.
    Guilt you? I'm just telling you what the bible says. I'm no different than you are except that I accept God's forgiveness. Your life is your own.

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    Guilt you? I'm just telling you what the bible says. I'm no different than you are except that I accept God's forgiveness. Your life is your own.
    I suggest no threats of eternal .

    I see a difference.

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    So is this thread about humans evolving from fish or Protestants evolving from Catholics? I don't have the desire to wade through 9 pages of cliche-laden flamethrowing.

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    I suggest no threats of eternal .

    I see a difference.
    No threats, just a warning.

    As far as the difference, I'm incredibly handsome.

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    So is this thread about humans evolving from fish or Protestants evolving from Catholics? I don't have the desire to wade through 9 pages of cliche-laden flamethrowing.


    Go back to your cubicle.... Did you not get the memo???

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    Go back to your cubicle.... Did you not get the memo???



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