Manu Ginobili is the ing truth!!!

[WalterBenitez]

any of you argentines fans of borges?

No fan, but I read a little from him

[2centsworth]

...in the NBA? Nope.

What's the difference, he spanked that .....

In the NBA Tim was getting used to getting his butt whooped by the Lakers until Manu came and bailed the spurs out and got rid of the dreaded *.

Tim is good but put Tony and Manu on the Lakers and watch the Lakers kick our butts.

[Athenea]

(i) TD's presence forces the opposition to focus on him and clear up the paint for Ginobili to drive. This is the essence of TD's value to the rest of his teammates. Take away TD and replace him with Mihm and the defense is keying on Manu. Spurs struggle to perhaps make the playoffs.

(ii) Great shot. He's unlikely to hit that shot often.

(iii) In general, TD anchors the defense which allows his teammates to focus on covering their man.

(iv) About the only offensive play which doesn't involve TD.

I think u forgot last POffs in several games Manu was the 1 getting dbl teamed and defenses were collapsing on him. I guess u can say that Manu owns TD's performance and MVP award, or that TD owes Manu... (BTW that's sarcasm).
Srsly I hope we never get to know if Manu can carry a team in the NBA coz it would mean:
a-TD is hurt and can't carry the SPurs
b-Manu left the SPurs and is playing somewhere else.
The way u transform a "props to manu" thread into a "let's bash manu" 1, is beyond me
If u deny Manu's international awards/career u should also deny the "DreamTeam" concept/fanfare. Coz American Dream Teams played and won in international compe ions, and NOT in the NBA.
U sound more like an outsider posting in bballboards or realgm, damn even BSPN forums. A true Spurs fan knows by now how well TD and Manu and Tony and Bruce complement one another.

[2centsworth]

Without Manu the Spurs would be the *purs.

[nkdlunch]

I think Peter will sleep and not respond for a couple of days. He was hitting the pipe hard yesterday.

[smeagol]

Ahh, all you guys talking big while Peter and TPark are off line. Wait until they come in here and kick your asses with great bball takes and facts (and nothing but the facts, i.e., no twisting of the truth).

[2centsworth]

Ahh, all you guys talking big while Peter and TPark are off line. Wait until they come in here and kick your asses with great bball takes and facts (and nothing but the facts, i.e., no twisting of the truth).

You could be John Wooden and Peter and TPark still wouldn't listen to you.

Their reality is that Tim Duncan is the best to have ever played and turns good players into allstars. I on the other hand see how players like Mario Ellie, Sean Elliott, David Robinson, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobilli, Robert Horry, Steve Kerr, Bruce Bowen, and Stephen Jackson, and the list goes on and on have a lot more to do with the Spurs success than just Tim Duncan. Now with all that being said, Spurs don't sniff the finals without Tim. Without the players I mentioned above from '00-'02 at least the spurs had a chance at the finals but got their butts handed to them by the Lakers. It wasn't until Tony and Manu brought athleticism to the team that San Antonio was able to erase the *.

[Peter]

The addition of Bowen was much more vital to that end. Until the Spurs could play Bryant straight up for significant stretches of the game they were not in any series.

Lest we forget that if Duncan wasn't there, the Spurs wouldn't even make it to that level, which, of course, is the point.

[Peter]

What's the difference, he spanked that .....

And he would never have a chance of "spanking that" in the NBA. Why? Why did Oberto look like a star in the Olympics while he looks like an average bench big in the NBA. There's a reason, something that requires a bit more thought than just repeating "he spanked that" again and again.

In the NBA Tim was getting used to getting his butt whooped by the Lakers until Manu came and bailed the spurs out and got rid of the dreaded *.

If the team was built around Ginobili with no dominant big then the Spurs don't even get to that level. Which, again, is the point. Manu is a borderline NBA All-Star on a team with Duncan.

Tim is good but put Tony and Manu on the Lakers and watch the Lakers kick our butts.

With Chris Mihm starting at center? Please.

[smeagol]

Well, I guess it's time to trade Manu for a legit star. He has obviously peaked last year, and with TD help, he made the ASG. With Duncan on the decline and not able to help Manu further, we are better off trading his ass.

[vanvannen]

Drop by late I guess...

You guys should know by now that TPark has some kind of immunity on these boards that allow him to insult, name call, attack and degrade other posters/ethnic groups/nationalities with no valid reason whatsoever, and still get away with it time and again. I guess bailing out on your team, and being taken back after serious begging en led him to behave that way.

Peter on the other hand, I guess got stuck so deep in his own flawed argument that he can’t dig himself out if it although it started making nonsense 4 pages back.

To be clear one more time: No one thinks Manu is better than Tim. No one thinks Tim doesn’t make his teammates better. This thread was supposed to give props to Manu for a good game. Unfortunately, someone thought that meant taking away Tim’s s om on this ballclub. That is just sad and wrong.

On a side note, Leemajors, I read most of Borges work. I think he is probably among the top 5 writers of the 20th century. He was very fond of labyrinths. I guess reading his work would have helped Peter out of this helpless place he put himself into.

[cheguevara]

wannabe Peter's bait??

respond to his posts!

[Peter]

Drop by late I guess...

You guys should know by now that TPark has some kind of immunity on these boards that allow him to insult, name call, attack and degrade other posters/ethnic groups/nationalities with no valid reason whatsoever, and still get away with it time and again. I guess bailing out on your team, and being taken back after serious begging en led him to behave that way.

Peter on the other hand, I guess got stuck so deep in his own flawed argument that he can’t dig himself out if it although it started making nonsense 4 pages back.

To be clear one more time: No one thinks Manu is better than Tim. No one thinks Tim doesn’t make his teammates better. This thread was supposed to give props to Manu for a good game. Unfortunately, someone thought that meant taking away Tim’s s om on this ballclub. That is just sad and wrong.

On a side note, Leemajors, I read most of Borges work. I think he is probably among the top 5 writers of the 20th century. He was very fond of labyrinths. I guess reading his work would have helped Peter out of this helpless place he put himself into.

I've not presented a flawed argument. It was claimed that Manu could get the team to the Finals on his own. Again and again there have been references to the Olympics as '04 as proof. Go ahead and whine about the fact that someone has dared to respond to that claim.

I guess I should just join the circlejerk and repeat that 'Manu is the bestest' over and over again.

[vanvannen]

Again Peter, nobody said Manu could carry this team to a ring without TD. It was stated though, that Manu is a star on his own right, therefore, the Olympics argument.

[cheguevara]

Again Peter, nobody said Manu could carry this team to a ring without TD. It was stated though, that Manu is a star on his own right, therefore, the Olympics argument.

dude please!:

wannabe Peter's bait??

respond to his posts!

[Peter]

"Please" what? I've yet to see you offer anything of substance in this thread.

Anyways, it's not as if I'm the only one who's advanced this apparently heretical viewpoint in this thread. Wanna tell the other he's an idiot too?

[smeagol]

It was claimed that Manu could get the team to the Finals on his own.

Please bring up that quote. I just re-read the entire thread and could not find it.

No implications this time.

[Peter]

What's wrong with examining the implication?

[cheguevara]

Please bring up that quote. I just re-read the entire thread and could not find it.

No implications this time.

[2centsworth]

And he would never have a chance of "spanking that" in the NBA. Why? Why did Oberto look like a star in the Olympics while he looks like an average bench big in the NBA. There's a reason, something that requires a bit more thought than just repeating "he spanked that" again and again.

Oberto didn't look like a star Ginobilli did, and so did Scola. To be honest I never really heard of Oberto until this past off season. Most schmucks like me at a minimum know who the stars are.

If the team was built around Ginobili with no dominant big then the Spurs don't even get to that level. Which, again, is the point. Manu is a borderline NBA All-Star on a team with Duncan.

Manu was the European MVP and bailed out Tim Bumkin in several games in last years playoffs. Now Tim Duncan is one of a player.

[Peter]

It was in the other thread. No difference.

Manu is right there in that group when it counts which is at the last minutes of a close game

Manu isn't in that spot if not for TD.

Manu has been in similar sposts without TD. The last one was as early as 2004, when he beat a TD-led team.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...0&page=1&pp=26

[smeagol]

What's wrong with examining the implication?

Can you bring up the quote where somebody claimed that Manu could get the team to the Finals on his own?

You have not done that yet.

I hope it's not another one of your implications (lies)

[Peter]

Oberto didn't look like a star Ginobilli did, and so did Scola. To be honest I never really heard of Oberto until this past off season. Most schmucks like me at a minimum know who the stars are.

Oberto looked like more than the part-time bench big he is in the NBA.

Manu was the European MVP and bailed out Tim Bumkin in several games in last years playoffs. Now Tim Duncan is one of a player.

Thanks to "Tim Bumpkin" Manu was on that stage and also free to 'bail out' TD. No TD in the post and Manu is making the occasional flashy play for the 35-47 Golden State Warriors.

[Peter]

Can you bring up the quote where somebody claimed that Manu could get the team to the Finals on his own?

You have not done that yet.

I hope it's not another one of your implications (lies)

You responded to me with that argument. It doesn't have to be explicitly stated. Now stand by your argument or give up already. Sheesh.

[2centsworth]

Oberto looked like more than the part-time bench big he is in the NBA.




Thanks to "Tim Bumpkin" Manu was on that stage and also free to 'bail out' TD. No TD in the post and Manu is making the occasional flashy play for the 35-47 Golden State Warriors.

how about when Bumkin fell apart in game 5 against seattle and Manu scored 39 to carry the spurs. How bout when bumkin got the pretty assist from Manu in game 6 to close out the series.