The whole this guy would shoot awesome if he came to the Spurs argument doesn't work in real life. Sharpshooters Steve Smith and Steve Kerr both sucked it up when they got here. Kerr did better the second time, but it still wasn't like the conventional thinking of "he shot 45% on the Bulls without Tim, he'd shoot 60 on the Spurs"
I would LOVE for him to do what he does in the regular season in the playoffs.
But doing it against Mike Bibby doesn't really count. Plus, since we both agree he was injured...it's hard to judge his performance against the Mavs and how much he has improved is playoff play.
Actually, 46 and 42 are huge in seperation in the NBA. 4 percentage points is a lot.
It's like in baseball how batting .330 is way better than batting .300 even though it only means you get a hit three more percent of the time.
Look at the team he's playing on.
Who else do they have...Ben Gordaon? Duhon? Tyson Chandler? All I'm saying is his numbers are decent there, and I think they would go up in SA. Not 13% points, but what are those 13% points worth if they go down 10% points in the playoffs. And yes, for the 100th time...I know he was injured.
It's not earth-shattering.
It's a noticeable difference, obviously...but when you consider the two diff teams they're playing on and there playoff performances...I don't think 4% is that much. Sorry.
Then you can look at a Stephen Jaxson.
Or a Manu even.
Let's say a...*drumroll* Bruce Bowen.
Examples can be made to prove either point. But I think conventional wisdom tells you that if you have a great post player, he will make the players around him better. Especially if it's not a ball-hawking center like Timmy.
why did barry suck 1 and half years with duncan?
Confidence issues? I don't really know...I'm not inside the Spurs organization.
In the 3 seasons since SJax left the Spurs, he's shot a higher percentage from 3 than he did when he was here in San Antonio.
I agree that the Spurs make some players play better because it's a good system. But I don't think Hinrich as a Spur would be close to being as efficient as Parker.
That's it for me in this thread.
Indiana has Jermain O'neal there...he's a good post-up player as well.
He also shot a higher 3-pt % in Atlanta.
I know where you're coming from, by watching the games I didn't think he helped get us over the hump like he could--and some of these guys are being too nice to ignore a somewhat neutral performance. He's not at fault for anything but it always seems like the Opponent, think about Detroit, and the Dallas series, they're good defensive teams, so they don't even care or worry about Parker. They just see him as expendable points and aren't really threatened by his game.
He needs to hurry up and catch up with Tim and Manu, we need him to be on their level already. Stats don't mean anything to me when they don't achieve the win. I don't care about Tony's individual efficiency when it's still not satisfactory when you're watching the games. 50 Percent is deceptive, He could make 9 layups spread across and miss one and miss 9 jumpshots and make one. On paper at the end of the game it looks decent. During the game, 6 of those jumpshots could've led to fastbreak points....so Screw that stat argument.
One less Forced, from an injured Parker, could have made all the difference in those 1,2 point margin victories. I hope Parker has better decision making next year and instead of shooting 24 shots just cuz STUPID POP , yes that's right, POP IS STUPID for expecting TONY TO BE A PURE SHOOTER ALREADY, he should take 20 shots for Pop's 25, and look to see if anyone has a better /higher percentage shot more often.
It's not even so much asking Tony to disobey Pop, but not BE A ROBOT for him. He needs to make better playoff decisions and try to win the games by pacing his job "to take the shots" along with what's beneficial for the team. He kept squandering possessions with his one on one tunnelvision. Shooting 24 shots is telling that Parker isn't thinking for the best team option or in the moment during those games. He's just going by the book/gameplan to a T for 35 straight minutes.
What is it with Spurs fans and urban legends? TP as non-playoff performer has to be at the top.
Without Tony Parker last season maybe the Spurs are the 4th seed in the playoffs. Manu Ginobili disappeared at times in the playoffs, moreso than TP Injured? Yeah, I guess TP wasn't this postseason.
Spurs needed him in that OT game against the nugz. That series changes dramatically without him.
So TP averages 21 pts a game in the playoffs and only turns in one bad performance out of 7 in the second round with 2 bruised thighs and a groin-pull... AND YOU WANT TO TRADE HIM!?!?!?
Seriously, Tony should be given a medal. This year proved exactly what we had all hoped, that Tony has matured into a truly consistent star player. He's already got 2 rings and I bet he'll get another 1 or 2 by the end of the decade, so let's give him a break.
Oh, and watch his jumpshot continue to improve next year, and maybe a consistent 3-ball emerge. With a 35% or over 3-ball, and the kid's speed, he instantly goes very close to being the best PG in the league.
Lay off the kid already!
Problem is not in TP. If Beno had NVE minutes...
Why do fans stick to scoring?? did anyone criticize Tony's scoring?So TP averages 21 pts a game in the playoffs and only turns in one bad performance out of 7 in the second round with 2 bruised thighs and a groin-pull... AND YOU WANT TO TRADE HIM!?!?!?!
Don't you see Parker's problem is about severe lack of court vision (how many times he ignored wide open teammates in these playoff? do you think Pop asked him that?) and about being too one-dimensional? don't you see that in a minor team, that wouldn't be a problem, but in a le Contender like Spurs, such predictability in the PG tend to hurt Spurs game a lot? no matter how much he scores?
Is scorign a lot the best for a team? when did the Lakers played better, with the Ballhog Kobe version, or with the more teamplayer one? same with MJ? when did the Bulls started to win rings? wasn't it when MJ stopped the 'me me' at ude?
I am not a big fan of parker but unless we would receive an impact player in return we cannot trade TP. If we could trade his brain for say..... John Stockton's I would do it.
So TP averages 21 pts a game in the playoffs and only turns in one bad performance out of 7 in the second round with 2 bruised thighs and a groin-pull... AND YOU WANT TO TRADE HIM!?!?!?
Seriously, Tony should be given a medal. This year proved exactly what we had all hoped, that Tony has matured into a truly consistent star player. He's already got 2 rings and I bet he'll get another 1 or 2 by the end of the decade, so let's give him a break.
Oh, and watch his jumpshot continue to improve next year, and maybe a consistent 3-ball emerge. With a 35% or over 3-ball, and the kid's speed, he instantly goes very close to being the best PG in the league.
Lay off the kid already!
MY response can be broken down to 2 words..'decision making'..
If only TP could play half a game like Manu does.
No, that's not it at all. Basketball is about so much more than scoring. As a bangin', defensive centre myself, I know this.
I just don't think TP played badly or "faded" this season as he has in the past. He was beaten up which took a step off him, and yet he still produced better than he did in the regular season. If he wasn't injured, we probably win the Dallas series (even though he played well, if he was fit he would have been better).
Either way, he didn't lose that series for us, Pop's smallball decision did IMHO, and I ain't givin up TP for anything less than Chris Paul, and that isn't going to happen, and nor should it.
TP will be fantastic again next year, and if we get the right chemistry we will win it all again.
Peace
Love
Unity
Respect
TP.
I admit, at times TP makes bad decisions. So do all players as Manu showed us this yr in games 3 and 7 (not blaming him for the series though), just as he made almost perfect decisions in games 2 and 7 of the Finals last year.
TP's decision making could yet mature - it has improved in his first four years, and PGs take time to mature. I have faith in him. He's a killer. Look in those eyes. He wants to be the best and he'll keep trying his hardest to get there.
Unfortunatedly, court vision is something you're born with, not something you can learn, it can be improved with a lot of training or experience for sure, but not as much as many people think, it's like the IQ you're born with.
Players with great court vision show that skill since being very young, Parker is in NBA for several years, and even in Europe he has always been a ballhog, and in NBA he hasn't improved court vision that much, as it's easy to notice...
In the starting five the players with the best courtvision are Manu and Tim, and the teamplay and passing game the Spurs want to play sometimes, isn't just possible with TP on court....
I perfectly understand why Pop asks parker to shoot that much, it's simple, a player as one-dimensional as Parker, is practically useless in ofense, if he's not penetrating and shooting. So Pop tries to get the best that can be gotten from him, unlike Manu or Tim, that can contribute a lot without the need to score or shoot that much....
That's why I think that for a le contender like Spurs, it wouldn't be so bad idea to Trade Parker now, when he's at the peak of his trade value...to get player(s) that have more variety of skills, more suited for a le contender team. It doesn't have to be precisely a PG, wich can be gotten thru other trades...for isntance, a Kirilenko, Nocioni, Rashard Lewis kind of player, who is great in defense, but contribute a lot in offense also, would create a third offesnive threat, then there would be no need of a scoring PG, as it's needed now, don't you think?
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