Next move?
Rashard Lewis, I wasnt saying we should get him, I was listing the Sonics fowards. And your right, Tony doesnt make his teammates better yet, but hopefully he will. Its hard for me to look past his scoring in the paint though, what other point can do that besides maybe Wade, and he isnt really a point. I know that Duncan is to me one of the top 3 - 5 players ever and that will never be replaced, I am just hoping that Tony will continue to grow until he can be our main guy, hoping
Wilcox demanded a trade so it was his choice, and the Clips were willing too oblige. What about Pryzbilla? I saw him play maybe 10 - 15 times last season and he looked like a good rebounder and shot blocker
And your right they probably will match our offer
The Clips traded him. Thanks.Wilcox demanded a trade so it was his choice, and the Clips were willing too oblige.
Pyrzbilla could be an option, especially since he's unrestricted. Call him plan B.
Whats plan A, Ben?
I like old school point guards.
If he improves his teammates, then he can make a larger contribution.
Even at his present level, he is an all star and that's very good.
I still just think that you build your team around a great big, if you can.
James is an exception. Jordan was the goat.
I hope that you are right that as Tim declines, Tony's play improves correspondingly and we get another big that can make up the difference.
I hope so. I'm sure that you know that players like Tim Duncan don't come around very often. As great a player as David was, Tim is in a completely different class. One of the best to ever play the game.
And in the mean time, we need a starting big, preferably a center.
Other players are either equally unrealistic or not nearly as good or don't fill our need.
The ideal which is possible is signing Ben. So, we should try. Age/cost issues are not convincing to me so long as we can keep our core players.
imho.
Pyrzbilla? we just dumped an over paid slow white guy why would we want another one?
Ring the bell, Johnny.
You win whatever's behind door number one.
Up to now Joel hasn't been overpaid.
Excellent question.
I will read with great interest the answer.
I see the caveat in there.
It appears that you think that he would require more money than he would be worth (at least to us).
I'm not sure. I do know he is far from a finished product or at least what we would want from a starting C. Maybe he's trainable, but we thought Nazr would be too.
Ben is plug and play.
up to now Joel hasn't been a free agent
Am I right in thinking Pryzbilla < = Rasho?
From what I have seen of him, he's not that great.
I think he'll be another mediocre center who will command a huge deal and give some team buyer's remorse in a year. Every once in a while, those guys work out well, but we've just gotten a couple of them off our cap, and I'm utterly unenthused at the prospect at signing another.
I'd rather go into this season with what we have than sign Przybilla to 5 years, $40 million -- and I wouldn't be suprised if that's the ballpark of the winning bid.
Sure he has.Well, he's alot more athletic but he bites on every little juke or fake. Like I said he might be trainable. For the right price he wouldn't be bad in a platoon with Javtokas.Am I right in thinking Pryzbilla < = Rasho?
After this trade, Barry and Oberto will likely be traded.
Barry for obvious reasons : need to be younger on the wing, redundant with Finley.
Oberto because we will likely get another big and we still have 5 bigs under contract for next season (Tim/Horry/Javtokas/Bonner/Oberto) . I don't see Spurs paying $2M for a guy who won't be on the active roster (the 6th big).
I can see Spurs going after a starting PF and having the following bigmen rotation :
PF : New guy/Bonner/Horry
C : Duncan/Javtokas/Horry
IR guy : a big center for the min who will be activated when we palyed against Shaq, Yao...
Another scenario...
- Sign Javtokas with the LLE
- Sign and trade EWilliams plus cash and/or pick to Charlotte for Jumaine Jones
- Sign Claxton with the MLE
- Trade Udrih and Barry to Indiana for Stephen Jackson
Starters
1 Parker
2 Jackson
3 Bowen
4 Duncan
5 Javtokas
Bench
1 Claxton
2 Ginobili
2/3 Finley
3 Jones
3/4 Bonner
4 Horry
5 Oberto
IR
1 vet
2/3 rookie
4/5 vet
I wonder if Bonner's acquisition doesn't make Horry a trade candidate? Horry could be a nice piece for a team that feels like they're about to make some noise like a Chicago or Orlando. He's that big who can stretch the defense, add versatility, can provide veteran leadership, and he has a buyout on his contract after next year. For the Spurs, though he came up big in '05, two out of the last three playoffs he's been a weak link in an elimination series.
Horry was a weak link in '04 against the most physical frontcourt in human history. You can't really fault him for that. As for '06, it's not like any other Spurs bigman outside of Duncan was that useful. Horry played well in the Grizzlies series in '04 and then the Kings series in '06 which preceded those two aforementioned elimination series. Horry was the in '05 throughout the postseason. It's the NBA. It's about matchups. Horry is still awesome to have against traditional lineups. This year's postseason seems to have agitated him. I'd rather have him as the 12th man than the likely alternative. You also have to factor in that TD is rather comfortable with him as a teammate and you do need some stability. You also need someone who doesn't get shook in pressure situations.
Horry admit he was too old, too slow for small ball. If Horry can't play small ball that really cuts down on his usefulness, particularly in playoffs when you run into the better teams, particulalry in the Western Conference.
You still have teams with conventional lineups. Had the Spurs faced Miami in the Finals you can bet that Horry would've seen a lot of minutes and done well. You don't drop everyone just because they don't fit a particular style. The Spurs are already on track to drop both Nesterovic and Mohammed. You need a roster that can match up with the variety of styles you will see in the NBA.
I think a common myth is that Horry is a small ball power forward. Horry is not. Horry you use to match up against more traditional frontcourts because his range and athleticism tends to be better than the average bigman in the post.
I'm not saying Horry doesn't have value to the team. I am saying the Spurs have certain potentially valueable trade assets to try to retool the team with and overcome weak areas. The addition of Bonner and his outside shot just took away a little of Horry's value to the team and made him a little more expendable in the retooling process.
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