T-Mac Says Finals was Rigged

[Mavs_man_41]

Also saying the Suns with amare are better then the Mavs isnt bull . Look what happened 2 years ago and look how much the Suns pushed you without their 2 bigs Kurt Thomas and Amare along with a hobbled Raja Bell. I am a spurs fan but I am telling you that not only will you not be better then the Spurs but you wont be better then the Suns(If healthy) either. If we dont go small ball and if bull doesnt happen we will beat you in a 7 game series.

First of all, 2 years ago is 2 years ago. That has no effects whatsoever on what happens this season. And if you want to talk about that series, it was a close series and could have easily gone to 7 games if not for a few mistakes on the mavs part. Do you think the suns will be that good again? Nash will be another year older. Sooner or later he won't be able to run and push the ball the same way that makes the suns so hard to beat. No one is guaranteing amare stoudamire to be the same after microfracture surgury, just ask penny hardaway. There is a reason why team usa sent amare back home. He is not back to 100% yet. No one knows if he will ever be 100% again. Plus, the suns lost players like Joe Johnson. You can't base this season on what happended 2 years ago, thats rediculous.

[shaggy17]

First of all, 2 years ago is 2 years ago. That has no effects whatsoever on what happens this season. And if you want to talk about that series, it was a close series and could have easily gone to 7 games if not for a few mistakes on the mavs part. Do you think the suns will be that good again? Nash will be another year older. Sooner or later he won't be able to run and push the ball the same way that makes the suns so hard to beat. No one is guaranteing amare stoudamire to be the same after microfracture surgury, just ask penny hardaway. There is a reason why team usa sent amare back home. He is not back to 100% yet. No one knows if he will ever be 100% again. Plus, the suns lost players like Joe Johnson. You can't base this season on what happended 2 years ago, thats rediculous.

Hey did you know that the Suns manage to beat you without Joe Johnson? If you are wanting to act like his loss was so huge then look at that series when he was out after game 1 with that busted up face. Exactly 2 years ago the Suns werent as good or as deep as they are now. Nash has a solid backup in Banks, They have Bell/diaw/Kurt Thomas to help with the defense, and Amare is returning to the team this season. I never said it was not going to take some time for Amare to get back to game shape but he has several months to do so before the playoffs even begin so he has lots of time to gear up.

[Mavs_man_41]

Also how am I a troll? I am a spurs fan on a spurs board .

Lmao you showed that you are a bandwagon spurs fan with your loyalty to the suns. You obviously dont know anything about basketball or the spurs when you say rediculous things such as "Dirk is not a superstar" and "The suns and spurs will beat the mavs next season." You even make predictions about how good the suns will be with a healthy amare, anyone who knows sports will tell you that this is not a guarantee. Ask penny hardaway what its like to return from microfracture surgury. Amare sure wasnt the same player in team usa training camp, that's why he was sent home so he could recover physically and mentally.

[Mavs_man_41]

The truth hurts.

Yea it sure does suns fan. Yes I said suns fan, you have shown your true colors all throughout this thread. It hurts for a suns fan to know that amare stoudamire may never become the player he could have been. He may be the next penny hardaway. His career could be ruined.

[shaggy17]

Lmao you showed that you are a bandwagon spurs fan with your loyalty to the suns. You obviously dont know anything about basketball or the spurs when you say rediculous things such as "Dirk is not a superstar" and "The suns and spurs will beat the mavs next season." You even make predictions about how good the suns will be with a healthy amare, anyone who knows sports will tell you that this is not a guarantee. Ask penny hardaway what its like to return from microfracture surgury. Amare sure wasnt the same player in team usa training camp, that's why he was sent home so he could recover physically and mentally.

I am being labled a Suns fan because I think a healthy Suns team would beat the Mavs? You have been a Mavs fan since when 2000? fans like Mav fans are the last ones who should even label others as bandwagoners. I dont know anything about basketball??? You ing think Dirk isnt mostly a jumpshooter in the NBA as of right now and you label Kobe a ball hogger yet the er helped the lakers to 3 championships so you are obviously contradicting yourself .

[shaggy17]

Yea it sure does suns fan. Yes I said suns fan, you have shown your true colors all throughout this thread. It hurts for a suns fan to know that amare stoudamire may never become the player he could have been. He may be the next penny hardaway. His career could be ruined.

I bet you hope Amare turns out to be the next Penny.

[shaggy17]

Also instead of throwing the front runner card at me why dont you try responding to the other I said about why Dirk isnt a superstar?? Nevermind dont because you know that I am right and you indirectly admitted it.

[Mavs_man_41]

I am being labled a Suns fan because I think a healthy Suns team would beat the Mavs? You have been a Mavs fan since when 2000? fans like Mav fans are the last ones who should even label others as bandwagoners. I dont know anything about basketball??? You ing think Dirk isnt mostly a jumpshooter in the NBA as of right now and you label Kobe a ball hogger yet the er helped the lakers to 3 championships so you are obviously contradicting yourself .

True spurs fans don't go around riding the nuts of other teams. And to answer your question, I have been a mavs fan ever since they were one of the tiest teams in the NBA. And no, you dont know a damn thing about basketball. You make predictions before preseason games start, you know nothing about sports injuries, claiming amare stoudamire's return is gonna put the suns over the top. Look at penny hardaway he went from superstar to nothing overnight, with one surgury. And you also claim that Kobe is a team player, which is the funniest of all. If he is a team player, then why did he run shaq out of town so it could be the kobe show? Yes he helped the lakers to 3 championships but it was also his own selfishness that ruined that dynasty. You put any superstar next to shaq in his prime and they will win championships. LMAO you sound like a 12-14 year old kid who has just started to play and watch basketball. Just STFU and stick to Disney channel.

[Mavs_man_41]

Also instead of throwing the front runner card at me why dont you try responding to the other I said about why Dirk isnt a superstar?? Nevermind dont because you know that I am right and you indirectly admitted it.

Lmao ok then, if Dirk isnt a superstar then why is he always at the top of the MVP balloting? Name one MVP that wasn't a superstar......o wait, you can't. STFU if someone is a top candidate for MVP then they are certainly a superstar.

[shaggy17]

True spurs fans don't go around riding the nuts of other teams. And to answer your question, I have been a mavs fan ever since they were one of the tiest teams in the NBA. And no, you dont know a damn thing about basketball. You make predictions before preseason games start, you know nothing about sports injuries, claiming amare stoudamire's return is gonna put the suns over the top. Look at penny hardaway he went from superstar to nothing overnight, with one surgury. And you also claim that Kobe is a team player, which is the funniest of all. If he is a team player, then why did he run shaq out of town so it could be the kobe show? Yes he helped the lakers to 3 championships but it was also his own selfishness that ruined that dynasty. You put any superstar next to shaq in his prime and they will win championships. LMAO you sound like a 12-14 year old kid who has just started to play and watch basketball. Just STFU and stick to Disney channel.

yet you claim the Mavs have such an amazing bench before the season starts and thats making a prediction in its own way as well. It wasnt just Kobe who ruined that dynasty it was also Shaqs ego so in all fairness both were at fault because both had big egos that couldnt last any longer with each other. Shaq does have a huge ego and jealousy is something that Shaq has had in the past. He left Orlando and LA due to issues with Penny and Kobe and said that Drob blew him off for an autograph . Kobe refused to kiss shaqs ass 24/7 which didnt make things better. Wade does kiss shaqs ass 24/7 (brings up to the press alot that Shaq makes his game alot easier) and Shaq also realizes that he isnt what he used to be so both go hand in hand which bolds very well for their chemistry with each other. I know injuries are part of the game and I mention IF healthy, if chemistry bolds well, then this is what I expect to happen. You know an opinion of what you think could happen if things go in that order? Nothing is a lock in basketball because you have to play the games but no as you said I dont know about the game. Oh wow the disney channel insult I am so hurt by that .

[shaggy17]

Lmao ok then, if Dirk isnt a superstar then why is he always at the top of the MVP balloting? Name one MVP that wasn't a superstar......o wait, you can't. STFU if someone is a top candidate for MVP then they are certainly a superstar.

So your using the MVP balloting as your only proof?? What about the other about not needing the refs to bail you out and wanting to take the big shots when a le is on the line?? I guess throw that out the window. PJ Brown finished in the top 7 or 8 in MVP voting so I take it he is a superstar as well???

[Mavs_man_41]

I also pick the Suns to not only win the west this year but to win the whole damn thing

What kind of spurs fan says that ?

[Mavs_man_41]

So your using the MVP balloting as your only proof?? What about the other about not needing the refs to bail you out and wanting to take the big shots when a le is on the line?? I guess throw that out the window. PJ Brown finished in the top 7 or 8 in MVP voting so I take it he is a superstar as well???

Im not sure where you are getting him not wanting to take big shots. Since he has been the leader of the team, he has taken the majority of the big shots. Apparently all you watch is the spurs and the finals. You didnt see Dirk respond to Tim Thomas taunting and score 50 on him. And lmao you will have to show me proof before i believe pj brown was at the top of the mvp voting.

[shaggy17]

What kind of spurs fan says that ?

A Spurs fan who happens to have a gut feeling that this is the year that the Suns take over the west. I believe the Spurs can still get the job done but I am actually thinking outside the box and going with who I like to win it all without being a complete homer. This is the first time since 2002 I havent picked the Spurs to win it all but I guess that still makes me a damn suns fan.

[Mavs_man_41]

A Spurs fan who happens to have a gut feeling that this is the year that the Suns take over the west. I believe the Spurs can still get the job done but I am actually thinking outside the box and going with who I like to win it all without being a complete homer. This is the first time since 2002 I havent picked the Spurs to win it all but I guess that still makes me a damn suns fan.

Not only that statement but all the other suns nut riding makes me wonder if you arent a closet suns fan.

[shaggy17]

Im not sure where you are getting him not wanting to take big shots. Since he has been the leader of the team, he has taken the majority of the big shots. Apparently all you watch is the spurs and the finals. You didnt see Dirk respond to Tim Thomas taunting and score 50 on him. And lmao you will have to show me proof before i believe pj brown was at the top of the mvp voting.

The Finals....where legends are born!! I take it Mcnabb is a clutch QB then because of that amazing year the eagles had all the way up until they lost the Superbowl. Or how Rich Gannon is an amazingly clutch qb up until he lost the SB as well. If you cant take your game up to an even higher level in the finals, then it shows what kind of player you really are. What about Dirk responding to the heat roughing him up and knocking his soft ass to the floor hard?? Or how did Dirk respond when he didnt even take the last shot of game 6 let alone didnt shoot the previous possession when he passed it to ing Erick Dampier!! SUPERSTARS thrive off those moments in any series and situation.

[Mavs_man_41]

I seem to remember calling you a dumbass for several of the things you said, such as kobe being a team player. And you ignore this aqusation and start talking down about Dirk. I think you are just a 12 year old kid who knows nothing about basketball and therefore you dont even try to defend yourself.

[shaggy17]

I seem to remember calling you a dumbass for several of the things you said, such as kobe being a team player. And you ignore this aqusation and start talking down about Dirk. I think you are just a 12 year old kid who knows nothing about basketball and therefore you dont even try to defend yourself.

Ummmm I did talk about Kobe being a team player. Yes I remember your name calling as a source of a comeback. Nice to know that I can strike a nerve with those remarks . I gave you examples on why I said kobe was a team player and explained to you why he wasnt the only one at fault for the Lakers breakup. Go back and reread my posts

[shaggy17]

Not only that statement but all the other suns nut riding makes me wonder if you arent a closet suns fan.

I guess youll have to keep up with my posts throughout the entire NBA season to figure that one out I guess

[Mavs_man_41]

Ummmm I did talk about Kobe being a team player. Yes I remember your name calling as a source of a comeback. Nice to know that I can strike a nerve with those remarks . I gave you examples on why I said kobe was a team player and explained to you why he wasnt the only one at fault for the Lakers breakup. Go back and reread my posts

Lmao you never explained why you thought kobe is a team player or why the breakup wasnt his fault. The only thing you said was, look how much better Kwame Brown and Lamar Odom played at the end of the season. I dont see how any of this is relevant to kobe, kobe was there throughout the season, its not like he came in and his teammates suddenly got better. Kobe is selfish, calling him a team player is laughable. Ask the opinions of others on the board. They will tell you that kobe isnt considered a team player.

[mavsfan1000]

Amare at 100% gives the suns a good chance for the championship. Unfortunately he isn't going to be 100% and Nash is getting older and I don't see Banks being any better than Barbosa as a backup. The offense really can't get any better than it has been the last 2 years and yet they haven't won a championship.

[shaggy17]

yet you claim the Mavs have such an amazing bench before the season starts and thats making a prediction in its own way as well. It wasnt just Kobe who ruined that dynasty it was also Shaqs ego so in all fairness both were at fault because both had big egos that couldnt last any longer with each other. Shaq does have a huge ego and jealousy is something that Shaq has had in the past. He left Orlando and LA due to issues with Penny and Kobe and said that Drob blew him off for an autograph . Kobe refused to kiss shaqs ass 24/7 which didnt make things better. Wade does kiss shaqs ass 24/7 (brings up to the press alot that Shaq makes his game alot easier) and Shaq also realizes that he isnt what he used to be so both go hand in hand which bolds very well for their chemistry with each other. I know injuries are part of the game and I mention IF healthy, if chemistry bolds well, then this is what I expect to happen. You know an opinion of what you think could happen if things go in that order? Nothing is a lock in basketball because you have to play the games but no as you said I dont know about the game. Oh wow the disney channel insult I am so hurt by that .

Scroll up for futher proof of what I talked about . You didnt reread like I told you to which explains why you didnt see what I posted earier.

[mabber]

Amare at 100% gives the suns a good chance for the championship. Unfortunately he isn't going to be 100% and Nash is getting older and I don't see Banks being any better than Barbosa as a backup. The offense really can't get any better than it has been the last 2 years and yet they haven't won a championship.

Yeah, I'm not worried about anyone in the west but the Spurs this season. Amare & coaches have already said they don't expect him to be able to do any of the aggressive, attack-type moves (he did pre-injury) this season that made him so special and tough to contain in the past. On top of that, the Mavs now have a more athletic center in Diop to guard him anyway. Damp was too slow 2 years ago. Also, I'll be really surprised if Nash makes it thru the season w/o injury. His back is bad and if he goes into the playoffs injured like last season they won't be a factor. But bottom line...they still don't play defense and that's what it will take to take out Dallas or San Antonio.

[Amare_32]

I like the fact that Mavs fans easily forget all the calls that went thier way in Round 2 when they cry about the Finals being rigged. The Spurs could not even breath on Dirk without a foul being called. They tend to forget that Jaon Terry went 7 of 25 in Game 6 against the Heat. Josh Howard as well was awful shooting 5 of 16 for the game. The only one that kept the game close towards the end was Marquis Daniels. As far as Amare being 100 percent I expect to get better as the season goes on. I think he will surprise alot of the naysayers out there.
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[mabber]

I like the fact that Mavs fans easily forget all the calls that went thier way in Round 2 when they cry about the Finals being rigged. The Spurs could not even breath on Dirk without a foul being called. They tend to forget that Jaon Terry went 7 of 25 in Game 6 against the Heat. Josh Howard as well was awful shooting 5 of 16 for the game. The only one that kept the game close towards the end was Marquis Daniels. As far as Amare being 100 percent I expect to get better as the season goes on. I think he will surprise alot of the naysayers out there.

I don't recall many controversial calls either way in the WCF's. My memory can be bad so please enlighten me.

I'm just going by what all the "experts" are saying about Amare. The consensus is that IF he gets back close to what he was it won't be this season. I loved watching that guy play prior to his injury, so I'm definitely pulling for him but it just doesn't sound too promising to me. I hope the experts are wrong.

Also, you have to remember that Mav fans have seen the Suns (Mavs of 2002-2004) before. The Mavs played a very similar game when Nelson was the coach and Nash, Dirk & Finley were together. As Mav fans we know that style just doesn't get it done when it comes to competing for a le. It will be fun to watch and you can win a playoff series or two but that's it. Mavs figured it out and moved on.