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Rome. Persia. Byzantine. Basically every society (I exclude Asia because I dont know for sure) pre-Catholicism. Need I go further?
No need for namecalling. My mistake for using "you." I meant the royal you and I was referring to the other posters. I'm on your side on this issue.
Rome. Persia. Byzantine. Basically every society (I exclude Asia because I dont know for sure) pre-Catholicism. Need I go further?
Make it difference for what? He did it to make money! ESPN is behind his book, be on oprah inside of a month i guarantee! So youre gay...BIG DEAL keep it to your circle of friends, be with who you want in that case and no one will pass judgement on you like they have already. So now other gay atheletes are going to come out?? Youre crazy to think that. he did it for the money.
the royal we? you know, the editorial we...
Hold on not even close to every society...
So do you even know what taboo means? "Social and ethically unaccpetable"
As it has been for a very long time. i would say acceptable in some areas during those dark ages as has been for a very very long time.
If you equate the time of Rome, Persia, et all as "Dark Ages", then you sir are a bigot and an idiot.
No one can be this stupid and have lived to see 15.
WTf am I doing in this thread? I am only talking to one person who clearly has no idea what theyre talking about.
Peace.
Jesus Christ, I keep wanting to go to sleep and you keep dragging me right back in. God help me, but I do so enjoy talking to bigots and morons.
I'm just curious what you would want me to respond to? Your obvious incoherent and inconsistent diatribes, or you obvious lack of historical knowledge? But seriously, your there are a billion bibles, but only one Christianity is kinda a new level of unintentional funny. It's like a Yogism, but more pathetic. You do realize how many different iterations of Christianity there are? And this even predates the formation of the commonly held 'canonical' works. You do realize that Catholicism was only held about approximately 10% of the original Christian population? How about the Gnostics?
Lets run through three major cultures: Greeks, Chinese and (for all you guys out there excited about the 300, as am I) the Spartans. All major forces in the ancient world, all historically do ented as being accepting of sexuality, or as Darkreign rightly pointed out, they didn't even care. Jeez, here's a word to the wise, when you're going to base arguments on history, make sure you've actually studied it.
Amen, Darkreign had the right of it.
hahaha hilarious. so basically you refer to me as a bigot. well im honored because theres a lot to be intolerant about in this world and i seriously doubt that youre not the same. just because im intolerant of gays! so what !!!
im a black male and i could care less about that lifestyle...youre the one whose stereotyping me without even knowing me...im tolerant about a lot of things but when it comes to that im not.
theres a lot to be intolerant about. if we werent, then yes this country is headed for the "toilet" as one poster put it.
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Wait! You're a black guy? First of all, I wouldn't want black guys on my team. And second of all, if there was a black guy on my team, I would, you know, really distance myself from him because, uh, I don't think that's right. And you know I don't think he should be in the locker room while we're in the locker room. I wouldn't even be a part of that.
You know, I hate black people, so I let it be known. I don't like black people and I don't like to be around black people. I am racist. I don't like blacks. They shouldn't be in the world or in the United States.'
as i said dude dont even compare racisim to being sexual. thats crime itself... not liking someone for what they do is one thing, (ala, Tim) but not liking someone for how they were born is a totally different situation.
So dont even try to ride the coattails of racisim with this mess.
John Amaechi had just as much choice to be gay as you did to be black. There is a definite genetic basis for being gay. I suggest doing research and educating yourself.
Were you molested? Are you gay yourself? Why so much hostility towards something that has nothing to do with you?
u smell black guys? how gay
I ain't black but I'm into chicken and watermelon, they're the !
Though I believe that there is a genetic basis for being gay, like you say. It's also true that many people do choose to be gay. I don't believe for a second that every person who commits sexual acts was born to it.
I lived (roommates) with a lesbian girl for a couple years after college, and I firmly believe she was born gay - she had feelings for women since she was a kid. But also in Los Angeles, I definitely knew a lot of people who were part-time gay just for the novelty of it, or didn't care what sex they were getting sex from, or decided that men had treated them poorly so they were going to only sleep with women from now on, etc.
Basically I'm saying though some people are born gay, other people choose to be gay.
THIS IS NOT MY STANCE, JUST A POINT OF VIEW: Some people will argue that even those that are born gay should know that it's "morally wrong" and be able to stop themselves from committing sexual acts. Just like some people might be born with a pre-disposition to violence, yet realize that it's wrong, so they control the urge and don't go around killing people.
What ignorance. For most being gay is genetic. You're born with it and can't do anything about it. Insulting a person for something he can't help is just childish and stupid.
why would i jump into something that i know is biased in the first place? The fact that there "may" be a defective gene that certain scientists think they have found that may prove that people are born gay?? Man plz. Theres 10 times the evidence to disprove any of that so i suggest that YOU do the research instead of wasting my time with that nonsense. Behavior is not genetic! Fact is were all predisposed to the genes that were inherited by our parents and theyre parents parents. All that, is information, genetically, but information nonetheless. now how any of us interprets that, you never know. fact is people have a choice to make whatever they do. They arent predisposed to a particular outcome like that.. But thats not even the issue. The fact that people have gone away from "religion" (ill cal it for you) has led to all of this. that way it is very easy for people to begin to accept that unbalanced conditions are normal, unavoidable and should be tolerated or legalized. There are many many conditions that contribute to all that, and a lot of it has to do with parental disfunction in the home.
so regardless of whatever science you can come up with. Anyone here can be anything that their parents were; ie gamblers, racists, atheletes, etc etc. Its a genetic thing. All information stored away. But we have a free will to do with what we want and to chose what we want to become, and that is not genetic. That a choice.
(wouldn't make a difference anyways)
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LMFAO @ people believing in the "Gay Gene"
and I'M the bigot ... even as a sarcastic joke, thats in horrible taste.
yes. end of story.
a enlightened community shouldn't even wast time by debating if it is genetic, or if it is by choice.
as if it did matter.
people use the "born gay - no choice" argument, as if there was something that has to be forgiven and it makes it easyer, if nature was responsible.
who cares. let people do what they want.
btw:some of my friends would care more, if they knew, that I spend quite some time on a sports forum, than they would care if I was gay.
BlahBlah Blah Blah Blah... sexuality is a genetic condition, evolution helps explain how we got here, global warming is a real phenomenon, and gravity is what keeps our feet on the ground. If you believe otherwise, you're ing re ed.
The only thing in bad taste is being an antigay bigot...Your comments and your at udes will look just as ridiculous as looking back at some of things said by Strom Thurmond or Jesse Helms in opposition to civil rights. I know blacks bristle at comparisons between the civil rights movement and gay rights, but you are playing the role of the Klan in this. You're on the wrong side of history and you're a bigot. Deal with it.
I read this whole thread and felt stupider for having done so.
Can you believe a Pro athlete who has been coddled his whole life and taught that any perceived lack of masculinity is a fault said these type of things? What a shock.
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