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  1. #201
    Saytowns Fawtbox King lebomb's Avatar
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    Why wasn't Carmelo in the 50 point range when he was averaging 27 shots/game in the 10 games prior to being suspended?

    He cracked 40 one time(42).

    Sorry about the fatigue crack, I forgot they all play 48 minutes/night and shooting the ball 30 times/game while being doubled is refreshing.

    My bad.
    Meh.....thats Melo. Let Arenas get that many touches or Ginobilli or Timmy.


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    Meh.....thats Melo. Let Arenas get that many touches or Ginobilli or Timmy.

    What do you mean, that's Melo? He's just as good of a scorer as Arenas or Ginoboli. Also, they already have and they still couldn't do what Kobe is doing in consecutive games. Give the man props. It seems like there is no pleasing some people when it comes to Kobe. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. His scoring was down and his assists were up. He was being more of a team player than most people realize and all that got them was 32-32 record and a 7 game losing streak. He is putting tha team on his back and scoring 50 points per game. I guess people that really dislike Kobe can always find something negative against him.

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    Anybody knocking Kobe's performance lately is nothing but a hater. Scoring at that level of efficiency with such a high volume of shots is very difficult. Shooting over 50% when consistently double- and triple-teamed on the perimeter is exceptional.

    And he started doing it at a time when the Lakers were losing uncompe ively night in and night out, and now they are winning more or less singlehandedly because of him.

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    Meh.....thats Melo. Let Arenas get that many touches or Ginobilli or Timmy.


    Arenas did get that many touches after he scored 60. The next night he scored 23 on 30 shot attempts. He's wildly inconsistent. Check his shooting percentages in the games after he drops 40+ for proof.

    TMac? He averaged 30 shots per in 4 out of 5 nights around the New Year. He averaged 36 in those games. He doesn't get to the line enough.

    TD? He isn't a good enough FT shooter to get 50 consistently and he doesn't have the luxury of the 3.

  5. #205
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    Read it again. I wasn't saying his performance wasn't great.

    I'm not knocking Kobe and this specific performance, because he was definitely on a ROLL and you WANT to see players take advantage of that. For entertainment value. I was merely highlighting the fact that I thought Kobe should have kept his mouth shut about the stupid "suspension" criticisms.

    So then I merely noted that HIS LAST TWO GAMES HE DID LOOK LIKE HE WAS PLAYING FOR HIS INDIVIDUAL GLORY in mind.

    It has nothing to do with dissing his skills, and his new record in history.

    Nowhere have I said he was "ballhogging for the sake of it." He was hogging the ball technically on Friday. But he's shooting over 50 percent and given the greenlight. So you can't really complain. I even said that 4 in a row was incredible for stamina's sake later on in the post. Nowhere did I say that the record in itself isn't valuable. It is because you don't see players doing it every day. But I don't think I"m wrong in my personal view, in disagreeing with Kobe's reasons. I don't think he should treat his amazing games as a priority, like you would in the sport of Golf, or Tennis.
    Now this isn't to you, but just a general statement to some of the comments on here.
    Apologists on here, say they haven't started winning until Kobe started going ape . But that's bogus, it helps, but it's certainly not REQUIRED of him to force the issue of hogging the offensive load. They just got Lamar and Walton back shortly before they started winning again. With that logic, you can say their record in the first half of the season when they were an over 50 team. 15-7 Required Kobe him to score, 35, 8, 7 because they were winning when he was doing that right?...

    Come on, you know the reason for the losses wasn't because Kobe was averaging 30 points and making 10 assists a game. It had more to do with the fact that they were shorthanded. So don't try to use the card, "HE NEEDS TO BE SCORING 60 points because they were losing seven in a row!" I'll admit that these recent wins had much to do with Kobe going nuts. At the same time, don't say stupid things like Kobe HAS to do this or THEY LOSE.
    If he did, then he would have done it when Lamar and Luke were out, it'd make a lot more sense.


    Kobe didn't start scoring 60 because he felt he had to DO this, he just went NUTS and hit a good week because he decided to step up his play and some of his stronger teammates made it that much easier for him to get in teh zone! Don't try to justify his recent 60 point outbursts as justification for the Lakers being better off with Kobe taking more of the offensive load and being the only reason why they're winning again. Otherwise Kobe should have been shouldering Lamar and Waltons offensive output, to prevent them from that 7 game skid in the first place.
    What makes me laugh is how you and your buddy Ron all know the inner workings of basketball players and what is the real motive behind their actions. It's like you guys have some sort of sixth sense. Maybe some type of Spidy Sense??

    So let's see you're knocking Kobe because he is hogging the offensive load and not passing the ball more to Lamar and Luke. Well first off they are not really great scorers. Lamar could get 20 anytime he wants, but he is far less effective than Kobe when he does. Luke can score, but he's just not a scorer. They are both playmakers; they make the proper pass when they need to, they set up the offense, they allow Kobe to be in position to score. (Not to mention that Lamar is by far our best rebounder and that's one of the main things we need from him right now.) We all know players need time to get back from injuries, this is Kobe's way of letting them get back in the game slowly. We're getting W's it's working.

    I laugh at how you consider him playing out of the context of a team game. Watch the Lakers play more often and you would understand that he is scoring within the context of the team. Does he hog the ball? Yes, he does. Is he not playing team basketball? No, he is playing team basketball. Watch them play more often.

    Another thing that you fail to recognize is that with Lamar and Luke back they allow Kobe to score 50 and 60 points. Without them it's so much harder to score at that level. They make the proper passes to him and do all the dirty work so that he doesn't have to. He can now concentrate on scoring instead of passing and rebounding. It's a win win everybody is playing to their strengths.

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    Purple & Gold is a little . ManuTim_bestofFwiendz, you said it right. Kobe's feat is impressive, but let's put it in perspective: he can throw up 50+ against teams in the playoffs and the Lakers will still lose... book it.
    HaHa Ron are you still crying about the Lakers and Kobe. After your little meltdown, I thought you would take some time to look in the mirror and reflect on you thoughts about the Laker Franchise. Your posts about the mental makeup of the Lakers are classic. I'm still wondering how you get these great X-Men like powers. Born as a mutant?? Scientific experiment gone wrong?? A Magical Ring?? I'm dying to know...

    And book this Ron the Lakers will win another ring before the Suns win their first one.

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    Out of curiosity, what's the record for elbows thrown in a single season?


    Will Kobe join this elite list of

    Karl Malone
    Bill Lambier
    Charles Oakley


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    Randy Machoman Savage?

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    HaHa Ron are you still crying about the Lakers and Kobe. After your little meltdown, I thought you would take some time to look in the mirror and reflect on you thoughts about the Laker Franchise. Your posts about the mental makeup of the Lakers are classic. I'm still wondering how you get these great X-Men like powers. Born as a mutant?? Scientific experiment gone wrong?? A Magical Ring?? I'm dying to know...

    And book this Ron the Lakers will win another ring before the Suns win their first one.
    Nobody is crying here. I'm just going off years of experience... Suns have let Kobe put up a ton of points on them and killed the Lakers every time. It's when Kobe plays a more complete game and the other players like Odom, Walton, and Kwame Brown step up that the Suns have difficulty with the Lakers. Hmmmm... I wonder why Phil Jackson imposed this strategy during the playoff last year? Do you think he might have had some idea about the mental makeup of his own team?

    Another idiotic post from the board's resident .

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    Nobody is crying here. I'm just going off years of experience... Suns have let Kobe put up a ton of points on them and killed the Lakers every time. It's when Kobe plays a more complete game and the other players like Odom, Walton, and Kwame Brown step up that the Suns have difficulty with the Lakers. Hmmmm... I wonder why Phil Jackson imposed this strategy during the playoff last year? Do you think he might have had some idea about the mental makeup of his own team?

    Another idiotic post from the board's resident .
    Once again I laugh at you Ron. You make it seem like you bring some sort of great insight to this board. Everybody knows that he can't win a le by himself, this is not some type of great revelation. You are stating nothing but the most obvious of things. But since I know how much you like to pat yourself on the back, I'm sure you think you're educating everybody here on SpursTalk and all the Laker fans in particular.

    The fact is the Lakers can win in the playoffs if Kobe puts up 50+. But it's very unlikely and will probably not happen. It means Kobe has to play a perfect game and if he does have a bad shooting night they are sunk. The best way for the Lakers is to have a well balanced team. Everybody knows this Ron, you are not some type of soothsayer.

    You better hope the Lakers don't meet the Suns in the playoffs because the Lakeshow will pound it inside every chance they get. You guys are soft in the middle and the Lakers will expose it again.

    And once again Ron book this, the Lakers will win another le before the Suns win their first one.

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    And BTW Ron, I'm still wondering where you got your X-Men like powers??

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    Meh.....thats Melo. Let Arenas get that many touches or Ginobilli or Timmy.

    It's a good thing there are other Spurs fans on this board that represent their team better and counter your stupidity.

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    Ive come back in the NEXT day and noone has answered my question on this subject............

    Noone thinks Mcgrady, Carter, Wade, Lebron, Arenas, Ginobilli, or Timmy D could put together a string of 4 games of over 50 in a row if they were to receive 30-40 touches in said games???
    No, nobody thinks they can.

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    I bet all of Kobe's teammates are like......" in ball hog"


    They wont say it though for fear of being blackballed by Phil.......wait till anyone of them leaves to another team.

    Also, WHO would want to go play along side Kobe with him teein off 30-40 shots a night? that........other players want to shoot too.

    If multiple consecutive games of 30-40 shots by ONE player doesnt seem like ball hoggin to you......you are dumb. Thats all there is to it. Dumb.

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    Ok, I'll book it - the Lakers are gonna win a le this year. Thanks Purple & Gold... you've made my sports betting so much easier.

    Purple & Gold: "Kobe can hog the ball and score 50+ and the Lakers will win all the time."

    Ron: "Kobe can score all he wants, but the Lakers need a complete game from him and the team for them to advance in the playoffs."

    Purple & Gold: "Jesus Christ, Ron, everyone knows the Lakers need a team effort out there... gosh!"

    Ron: "You're a ing re - thanks for changing your argument."

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    Doesn't that make sense to you, or is your brain that dumb that you can't even get that? pussyface's Avatar
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    as an impartial observor, i'd tip purpleandgold as the winner of this here argument.
    his argument is bolstered by the fact that he is not a blind partisan for his chosen team while ronnymex is a typical and obvious example of such a person.

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    Ok, I'll book it - the Lakers are gonna win a le this year. Thanks Purple & Gold... you've made my sports betting so much easier.

    Purple & Gold: "Kobe can hog the ball and score 50+ and the Lakers will win all the time."

    Ron: "Kobe can score all he wants, but the Lakers need a complete game from him and the team for them to advance in the playoffs."

    Purple & Gold: "Jesus Christ, Ron, everyone knows the Lakers need a team effort out there... gosh!"

    Ron: "You're a ing re - thanks for changing your argument."
    Damn Ron how stupid are you? I said the Lakers will win another one before the Suns win their first one. Book that.

    Then again Ron you were talking about what was happening during this week and then you're the one that changes it to the playoffs, not me. So I went from talking about this week to talking about the playoffs, because you changed the subject. I know you have a problem with reading comprehension, but WTF.

    You might as well just keep your mouth shut because you look like a total ing idiot.

    Ohhh and I'm still wondering how you got your keen powers of insight into basketball players minds. I'm sure that's what makes your sports betting so easy.

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    as an impartial observor, i'd tip purpleandgold as the winner of this here argument.
    his argument is bolstered by the fact that he is not a blind partisan for his chosen team while ronnymex is a typical and obvious example of such a person.
    I call em like I see em, and Ron is about as stupid as they come. I would put him up there, either at the top or damn right near the top, with the other great idiots of this site.

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    I bet all of Kobe's teammates are like......" in ball hog"


    They wont say it though for fear of being blackballed by Phil.......wait till anyone of them leaves to another team.

    Also, WHO would want to go play along side Kobe with him teein off 30-40 shots a night? that........other players want to shoot too.

    If multiple consecutive games of 30-40 shots by ONE player doesnt seem like ball hoggin to you......you are dumb. Thats all there is to it. Dumb.
    I'm beginning to think that you and Ron are the same person. I mean what are the odds of two people being so ing stupid and on the internet at the same time. It can't be very high, so I'm guessing you're just a Ron troll.

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    If most players took that many shots.........they would get 50-60pts every night. Just look at the box scores of all games, which I just did. There were lots of players shooting 50% from the field but only taking half as many shots as Kobe.
    Its all bull ......everyone just sees the scoring, but not how many shots he took. , he took other peoples shots away from them.

    Tell me is 1 out of 1 shooting better than 9 out 10 shooting?

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    Yall obviously dont know basketball..............No ONE player can win a team a championship period.......Jordan didnt even win one till he had some help and didnt have to score 50-60 in ball hoggin points to do it.

    Soooooo, get on Kobes nuttsack and feel wonderful about his weak ass feat of taking 40shots in a game.

    Shaq got it right.......he left for a team where the star Wade scores alot of points, but gets his teammates involved in the game.

    the Lakers.....they arent going to win . Kobe and his ballhoggin points is all they have to hang on to.

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    Ive come back in the NEXT day and noone has answered my question on this subject............

    Noone thinks Mcgrady, Carter, Wade, Lebron, Arenas, Ginobilli, or Timmy D could put together a string of 4 games of over 50 in a row if they were to receive 30-40 touches in said games??? I think they could.

    Everyone keeps pointing out a SINGLE 30-40 touch game and how many points the player had......BUT!!!! Kobe got to put up that many shots in 4 consecutive games!!!!

    , I think he is allowed to put up that many shots all season period.....GREEN LIGHT!!!
    Ill answer this question. I dont think any of them can do 4 games of 50+ in a row. You have to consider that they need to try to make these crazy shots with double teams and triple teams and also knowing that the opponent is trying to prevent them from scoring that much. Only Kobe can do this imo.

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    Yall obviously dont know basketball..............No ONE player can win a team a championship period.......Jordan didnt even win one till he had some help and didnt have to score 50-60 in ball hoggin points to do it.

    Soooooo, get on Kobes nuttsack and feel wonderful about his weak ass feat of taking 40shots in a game.

    Shaq got it right.......he left for a team where the star Wade scores alot of points, but gets his teammates involved in the game.

    the Lakers.....they arent going to win . Kobe and his ballhoggin points is all they have to hang on to.
    From what I've read, nobody's ever claimed Kobe will win a championship by himself. The furthest anyone has gone is to say that the Lakers will win one before the Suns, note the difference?? (there is one)

    The discussion is on how impressive Kobe's recent streak is, and coincidentally it occurs when the Lakers have again begun to win. Now, before more assumptions are made, this does not mean Kobe has to score 50+ in order for the Lakers to win, but they have a better chance since the other players on the team still need to get in a groove.


    I bet all of Kobe's teammates are like......" in ball hog"


    They wont say it though for fear of being blackballed by Phil.......wait till anyone of them leaves to another team.

    Also, WHO would want to go play along side Kobe with him teein off 30-40 shots a night? that........other players want to shoot too.

    If multiple consecutive games of 30-40 shots by ONE player doesnt seem like ball hoggin to you......you are dumb. Thats all there is to it. Dumb.
    Again, the Lakers best chances at winning a game involve Kobe shouldering most of the scoring. I'd call it downright selfish for any of the Lakers to shoot a contest shot who's name isn't Kobe right now. When you're nailing 50% from the perimeter, you're doing something good, and you keep going to that guy till he cools off. The minute he starts chucking 30+shots while shooting at a 40% clip, I'll jump on the ball-hog bandwagon with you ok??

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    Yall obviously dont know basketball..............No ONE player can win a team a championship period.......Jordan didnt even win one till he had some help and didnt have to score 50-60 in ball hoggin points to do it.

    Soooooo, get on Kobes nuttsack and feel wonderful about his weak ass feat of taking 40shots in a game.

    Shaq got it right.......he left for a team where the star Wade scores alot of points, but gets his teammates involved in the game.

    the Lakers.....they arent going to win . Kobe and his ballhoggin points is all they have to hang on to.
    I was right he is a Ron troll.

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    Only 2 minutes into the game and Mr Bryant is already 4 for 4 with 9 points.

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