you can troll all you want by your self,I can´t belive You´ve been reading this forum for a year or so,and now all of the sudden,you decide to start trolling like a whining little .your choice anyways.
about the the cup of coffee,why don´t you better share it with your boyfriend/girlfriend Wottt??
It could be intended to be offensive indeed. But honestly, it's a lame nickname, I'm sure english can be more offensive than that. And rebember that we're living in a country where nicknames tend to be de-dramatized, in the sense that we call each other 'negro', 'gordo', 'vieja', 'culeao', 'boludo' and so on, in a way that might sound offensive abroad but not at all here. After all, it always depends on the tone.
See Whottt, this is where you lose me. You're arguments for Scola are all over the map.
First you said: "Scola is a scorer and nothing else really, he's undersized to be one of the bigger PF's and he's too slow to be one of the small ball PF's...he's going to be hurt by the athleticism of the NBA, more than Oberto, who is a "smart hustle guy" that relies on his brains to be effective."
To those points...I fail to see where adding another scorer is a bad thing for this Spurs team. Secondly, he's 6'9 and 240lbs, which is not small for an NBA PF....the only evidence to the contrary is an ESPN draft profile which suggests that he might be closer to 6'8. Regardless, he's a standard PF.
So, before you said his lack of athleticism and the athleticism of NBA players would hurt him, and now you're saying he should go to a team the DEPENDS on athleticism? Again, I fail to see the validity of your arguments...seems like there are alot of holes.
My assessment is that Scola IS a "hustle player" and he IS a "smart player", and he IS a talented low-post player, and he does NOT have a bad at ude. It's not a knock against Oberto, but Scola is simply the better player....I don't see how that makes him a worse prospect.
cynicism is not your strenght, right?
At this Point Phat,When It comes to Scola,I don´t even pay atention to wottt.
And honestly,I´m starting to doubt about His scouting Eye for NBA prospects,since He never realized/admited Elson is a total fiasco.
Not an Argentine, but a Brazilian: Tiago Splitter, he is the , but he would not be available with our picks.
Last edited by carrecaminos; 05-30-2007 at 09:09 AM.
What does anybody think about Ramunas Sisaukas as an international free agent:
from Draftexpress:
http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=2047
RAMUNAS SISKAUSKAS
Panathianikos, 1978, 6-6, SG/SF
This skilled Lithuanian wing delivered a great Final Four, especially concerning the final game, actually challenging for the MVP award. He shares with Diamantidis his low-profile style: he’s a player that often goes unnoticed and doesn’t make much noise. Indeed he’s an underrated athlete who enjoys a nice vertical leap and is able to beat his match-ups off the dribble. He enjoys nice handles, good footwork and long strides to gain the lane.
Like many of his teammates, he looked very aggressive against CSKA; particularly when Diamantidis was on the bench due to foul trouble. In those moments he took over his team’s offensive lead attacking the basket to finish himself, drawing personal fouls or dishing the ball, ending the game with 20 points and 5 assists. Siskauskas is a solid passer that has greatly helped solidify his team’s offense this season in Panathinaikos. Ramunas is also an excellent shooter; although he was very erratic in the Final Four (a combined 2/9 from behind the arc), he credits 47.1% throughout the entire Euroleague season, well-reflecting his accuracy and honoring the Lithuanians’ shooting reputation. Anyway, he’s an unselfish guy, very team-oriented, with a high basketball IQ, the kind of player every coach loves having on his roster.
Siskauskas barely slows down on defense, where he’s a reliable guy. Standing somewhere between 6-6 and 6-7 (he’s clearly 6-7 on shoes at least), he uses his athleticism well to keep up with his match-up. Perhaps he’s not the strongest guy around, but still he’s fairly tough. All in all, Siskauskas would probably make a nice complimentary wing player in the NBA; a player who helps ease the offensive flow, nets his open shots and contributes on the defensive end. He has a clear and very manageable $500,000 buyout as far as the NBA is concerned, but it’s not clear if any team will be able to compete with his salary in Greece, which is rumored to exceed over 1.5 million Euros per season.
Ha, how I missed all this fun! Coming back to the forum after a long long time. I've been lurking the past days but lost my password, and didn't know that the e-mail which I registired with was still working. Some people say time change people, but that is obviously bull . Things don't really change, do they? El pato keeping his hatin' is the best example.
I'm not gonna even bother to read all the ers that posted before me. All I've got to say is that if everyone is claiming credit from the forum because predicting Oberto would suit the Spurs, then I should get a collective blowjob from the forum, because I posted a thread stating that he would suit the Spurs system as soon as he ended his contract with Pamesa in Spain. (By the way, where is the search option? I want to tap myself in the shoulder).
I do remember some argies claiming Delfino was better than Manu. Luckily I wasn't among them.
Bow down to my superior knowledge. All your base are belong to us.
Possible Argentinian target for the Spurs?
Well, apart from the endless blah blah blah about Scola, if the Spurs will be looking for a back-up point guard, I'd love to see Pepe Sanchez or Pablo Prigioni to fill that role. Both are pass-first point guards, who are really, really, really good at distributing the ball, calling plays and defending. Problem is, both have good contracts and buyouts in Spain. Maybe Sanchez is the one that could come to the Spurs, since he doesn't have a good relationship with his current coach.
Herrmann or Nocioni could fill the need for a SF, but Nocioni is a restricted free agent this summer and has the chance to get better deals somewhere else. In my point of view, he would be the ideal SF for the Spurs. A team player with good size, who can shoot the 3, post up, rebound and plays defense. Hermann has nice offensive moves, but his 1-on-1 defense is not anywhere near Spurs standards. I think the Bobcats have the option to offer him a one year extension to his current deal, which ends this summer.
About draft prospects, hmmm, well, Matias Nocedal isn't showing his NBA potential currently, and he won't enter the draft for at least a couple of years. Oh, and when he does, he will be contracted to TAU.
Cheers.
Let's see if this is true...I think not.
And that's all true.First you said: "Scola is a scorer and nothing else really, he's undersized to be one of the bigger PF's and he's too slow to be one of the small ball PF's...he's going to be hurt by the athleticism of the NBA, more than Oberto, who is a "smart hustle guy" that relies on his brains to be effective."
#1. He's not going to be as good of a scorer in the NBA, he's going to have superior defenders defending him.To those points...I fail to see where adding another scorer is a bad thing for this Spurs team.
#2. Adding a scorer in and of itself is not a bad thing...adding a scorer who can't score that well in the NBA, and brings little else to your team...is a problem.
It's small to be a big PF...which is what he is. See that's the problem...he's very limited in the positions he can play...and he's very limited in what he brings to your team outside of scoring and in terms of matchups.Secondly, he's 6'9 and 240lbs, which is not small for an NBA PF....the only evidence to the contrary is an ESPN draft profile which suggests that he might be closer to 6'8. Regardless, he's a standard PF.
Not when you take into account that I am saying he will be a bust...So, before you said his lack of athleticism and the athleticism of NBA players would hurt him, and now you're saying he should go to a team the DEPENDS on athleticism? Again, I fail to see the validity of your arguments...seems like there are alot of holes.
I just think he'd have a better chance of getting to use his finishing skills in an offense like the Suns run, a transition team...I don't think he's going to make the HOF in that offense. I just think he'll be better in it that he will in a typical NBA offense, he'll get more open looks...surrounded by those types of players, getting open that way.
Players scoring averages tend to do well when playing with the Suns...that type of offense makes it easier for players to score..
It stands to reason that it will help a scorer whose best part of his game is his finishingt skills.
My assessment is that Scola IS a "hustle player" and he IS a "smart player", and he IS a talented low-post player, and he does NOT have a bad at ude. It's not a knock against Oberto, but Scola is simply the better player....I don't see how that makes him a worse prospect.
Well you must have not have seen the comments the guy has made about the Spurs over the past few years...going all the way back to the Olympics...
My bad...going back to the night the Spurs drafted him.
Go watch the interview with him after RC told him to work on his rebounding...then tell me he doesn't have an at ude problem.
My arguments are not all over the board...the factors that determine a players ability to transfer between leagues are complicated...and not explained with a simple explanation. If they were simple...Tim Duncan would have a gold medal and the Spurs would never have made a bad draft pick.
Scola does not bring much to your team other than scoring...he won't be near as good of a scorer in the NBA, due to the athleticism of the players that will be defending him...and he's talked a lot of over his contract disputes with the Spurs...
He blames them, for his own dumbass decision to sign a 10 year contract with a buyout bigger than the GNP of most third world countries.
Scola whined the night Spurs drafted him....about being drafted by them.
He's made countless comments about being traded, about not caring if he plays for the Spurs...
I just don't understand how you managed to never see any of these...if you follow him so closely...it's been well discussed on this board.
Last edited by whottt; 05-30-2007 at 02:10 PM.
David DuPree: Luis Scola is from Brazil and could be the best big man in Europe. A buyout of his contract is the only thing keeping him away from the Spurs, but there is a decent chance he will be with them next season. He plays a lot like Fabricio Oberto.
la, ca: People were talking of Duncan's decline last year, but he looks to still be at his best this year. He is less athletic with age, but smarter and a better passer. How much longer will he be this effective, and do you see Parker becoming the primary scorer for the Spurs in the future? Which of the Spurs oversea's guys will actually join them? Scola is getting old and seems to be too redundant with Duncan's game...
David DuPree: Duncan has lost a little, but only a very little and is still much in his prime. I'd say he has three or four more years at this level, which is good enough to make the Spurs a contender every year. I see Manu being more of the big scorer without Duncan than Parker. Scola is only 27 or 28, and I see nothing wrong with being redundant with Duncan. He and David Robinson made that work pretty well, I think.
Um...David Robinson and Scola have nothing in common about their games. Not in the slightest...David Robinson was arguably the most athletic bigman in NBA history...he made it the HOF, won scoring championshipts...his entire career was in large part due to being an athletic freak.....
And he had no true finishing move...
Scola is a guy with a nice set of finishing moves.....
Welcome back, mother er!
And he also says that Scola is from Brazil. That pretty much sums his knowledge about him.
hmm Scola is from Argentina not Brazil...
Today Scola has played the first game of the spanish semifinal and he was really bad.
I've watched the game by only focusing on him.
His defense on this game was maybe the worst I've seen him play. He was out of position all the game. He has tried to contest (without success) something like two layups during the whole game. He hasn't done a good job on the defensive boards too. Pop would have been mad after him.
His offense was bad too. He bricks the three midrange/short jumpshoots he takes. He was a non factor in the post (missed jump hook, turnovers). He scored 5 baskets : 3 were after an offensive rebound, one was in transition and one was a post move. The only positive in this game are that he grabs some offensive reboudns by hustling a lot under the basket.
How dare you insinuate Scola isn't a big game player.
See now?He is really Upgrading his game on the boards.An off night anybody can have it anyways.
Yes, I've realy like when he let Fran Vazquez getting an offensive board on him.
It was quite impressive, Scola was between Vazquez and the basket, Scola just let Vazquez run to the basket and jump to grabb the ball for the tip in without moving.
I'm too lazy to read through the entire thread, but I remember some good talent from last summer's U18 FIBA tournament. Diego Gerbaudo really impressed me and Nicolas De Los Santos was just a stud.
If you read spanish,here is a good link from an Argentinian BB website.
http://www.sextohombre.com.ar/nota_c...ores%20-%2015k
if you don´t read spanish it basically sais thatHe is only 15 yrs old and that He signed for Real Madrid,it doesn´t say the terms and for how long though.
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