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    What about PAPALOUKAS's teammate:

    SMODIS, MATJAZ
    Team: CSKA
    Height: 2.05
    Born: 1979
    Nationality: Slovenia
    Number: 8

    Min - 24:34
    Pts - 12.9
    2FG - 55.6%
    3FG - 42% 34/81 this year in Euroleague
    RPG - 3.8

    Plays both forward positions in Europe, but prefers playing small forward on offense and power forward on defense.



    Could fit to Spurs and his price is much lower than Scola's, and they are both top forwards in the league.

    MATJAZ SMODIS

    agreed


    in my opinion this guy is a better player than the likes of Garbajosa, Nachbar, Oberto etc (not counting the great playoff run Oberto had)

    his only real problem is his health at times (back issues); but he is tough mentally and phisically



    he would possibly be a great addition for a team like Spurs

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    Why people talk this much without knowing ?

    Amazing what the offseason can do.

    Scola won't pull a Vince Carter. He feels that he has given the club all he could, and he is surely frustrated, because since the season that he is TAU's main offensive weapon, they have been always very close to winning but failed for various reasons. He said he wants to play in the NBA, but if he stays in Tau, he will give 100% for the club, until next summer when his contract runs out and he can sign as a free agent. He said to the Tau board that he wants out now, because that would mean playing for the Spurs, the team that drafted him when he wasn't what he is now, and finally reaching his dream of playing in the NBA.

    Next:
    - Scola's deal with TAU was signed by his father when he was underage to sign contracts. It was offered when TAU knew Scola had some potential, but no one, even Scola himself, figured out that he was going to be drafted by an NBA team, be the best PF in Europe and Olympic Gold Medal winner.

    - Scola has just turned 27 in April.

    - The European season isn't 20 games long. Specially not for a team like TAU. They play the Spanish League regular season and playoffs, the Copa del Rey, and the Euroleague regular season and Final 4. That's about 65 games per season.

    - Splitter in not carrying TAU in anyway. He is a defensive enforcer, who crashes hard the boards, with physical presence who has to work a lot on his shot if he wants to fit in the NBA.

    - Scola "choking" isn't his fault only. He is a good sidekick, like he was in the Argentina National Team when all the FIBA zonal defenses couldn't collapse on him because of Manu, Oberto, Nocioni, etc, and the FLEX OFFENSE. All what TAU seem to know to do with Scola is pick-and-roll and post him up. In the NBA, he wouldn't have to face those collapsed zonal defenses with triple defense on him. Those who doubt his wingspan, he has faced defenders as tall as 6'11'' or even 7'0'' with TAU and Argentina and scored over them. Two words that might sound familiar: footwork and fundamentals.

    - Manu and Oberto are from a different generation of the Argentina National Team than Scola. That's why they aren't exactly "friends", but they get along very well.

    - In Spanish baskteball forums, the rumour is that TAU will accept Scola leaving this summer for a percentage of his buyout. They preffer that to see him walking away for free next year.

    I've said (punches the table -Pop style-)
    Word-muy bien dicho.

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    - The European season isn't 20 games long. Specially not for a team like TAU. They play the Spanish League regular season and playoffs, the Copa del Rey, and the Euroleague regular season and Final 4. That's about 65 games per season.

    - Splitter in not carrying TAU in anyway. He is a defensive enforcer, who crashes hard the boards, with physical presence who has to work a lot on his shot if he wants to fit in the NBA.

    - In Spanish baskteball forums, the rumour is that TAU will accept Scola leaving this summer for a percentage of his buyout. They preffer that to see him walking away for free next year.
    The Euroleague session is only a handful of games long. There are the lesser regional sessions, or 'seasons', like the Spanish Cup, but they are not the Euroleague compe ion.

    Splitter has better stats, more rebounds, less fouls and just as many points, and therefore a higher ranking as the euros do it, than Scola and in less minutes. In the final four, Tiago had 3 less points on 3 less shots more rebounds and 5 less fouls than Scola. Scola was actually the 3rd highest ranked player on the team.

    I don't know if people realize he isn't that tall. He's only 6'9 on a good day.

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    Another reason for Tau to let Scola go this summer is that they take the risk, if they keep him, to see him going to a spanish rival in 2008. Madrid's GM, Vlade Divac, is very interested in Scola.

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    yeah,Divac has been asking about Oberto´s future too.

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    The Euroleague session is only a handful of games long. There are the lesser regional sessions, or 'seasons', like the Spanish Cup, but they are not the Euroleague compe ion.

    Splitter has better stats, more rebounds, less fouls and just as many points, and therefore a higher ranking as the euros do it, than Scola and in less minutes. In the final four, Tiago had 3 less points on 3 less shots more rebounds and 5 less fouls than Scola. Scola was actually the 3rd highest ranked player on the team.

    I don't know if people realize he isn't that tall. He's only 6'9 on a good day.
    But Tau's season is not only about the Euroleague. The three compe ions are important for the club, they represent major trophies that mean a big financial income for the club in the form of TV rights, ticket sales and prize money. The Euroleague is the biggest of the three, but Tau plays their starters in all the compe ions. This last season, between the three compe ions, they played exactly 68 official compe ive matches (not counting friendlies or exhibitions.). The Copa del Rey and the Spanish League playoffs aren't walks in the park, there are good teams like Unicaja, Barcelona and Real Madrid among others.

    And I don't agree with Splitter at all. You are just grabbing a determined range of games (the vast amount of 2 out of 68) where Scola was double and tripled marked in the post and Splitter was left alone under the basket (because that is his impressive shooting range) many times. And without Scola the team wouldn't even have reached the Final Four or the Spanish League semi-finals. I see Splitter as a rich man's Marc Gasol, that is a hard nosed defender, who crashes the boards hard and plays very good for the team. He usually scores from offensive rebounds, but he can't create his own shot, for him, to shoot from the free throw line is like a half-court 3 pointer.

    The problem came from outside. When Scola has 3 defenders collapsing, and he dishes out, he has:

    - A point guard who doesn't know how to shoot, only passes (Prigioni).
    - Shooters who are afraid to shoot or constantly airball in crunch time (Rakocevic, Vidal, Planicic, Erdogan).
    - A foward that should have helped more (Roe).
    - A hustler, who gets his points from rebounds, but can't create them (Splitter).
    - A good foward like Teletovic who wasn't used.

    And like I said before, the coach only designs two plays for Scola, pick-n-roll and "throw the ball into the post for him, let 3 defenders grab him and dish it out, no it doesn't matter our shooters are 0 for 78 this night".

    The point is: Scola wants to play for the Spurs right now. Tau preffers to get a percentage out of his buyout now rather than nothing next year. He would be a good addition to the Spurs, but, as Oberto, he will need time to adapt. He could bring offensive relief for Timmy in the post when the other team doubles TD, denies the penetration to Manu and Tony, and the 3 pointers aren't falling. As Oberto, he makes good basket cuts and baseline runs. His defense and rebounding are a bit worse than Oberto's ('tho he jumps higher than him). But he understands the game, is always in a good position, and specially, plays at his best when he isn't his team main offensive choice.

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    CaptMike was the lone Tiago Splitter vote for Euroleague MVP.

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    But Tau's season is not only about the Euroleague. The three compe ions are important for the club, they represent major trophies that mean a big financial income for the club in the form of TV rights, ticket sales and prize money. The Euroleague is the biggest of the three, but Tau plays their starters in all the compe ions. This last season, between the three compe ions, they played exactly 68 official compe ive matches (not counting friendlies or exhibitions.). The Copa del Rey and the Spanish League playoffs aren't walks in the park, there are good teams like Unicaja, Barcelona and Real Madrid among others.

    And I don't agree with Splitter at all. You are just grabbing a determined range of games (the vast amount of 2 out of 68) where Scola was double and tripled marked in the post and Splitter was left alone under the basket (because that is his impressive shooting range) many times. And without Scola the team wouldn't even have reached the Final Four or the Spanish League semi-finals. I see Splitter as a rich man's Marc Gasol, that is a hard nosed defender, who crashes the boards hard and plays very good for the team. He usually scores from offensive rebounds, but he can't create his own shot, for him, to shoot from the free throw line is like a half-court 3 pointer.

    The problem came from outside. When Scola has 3 defenders collapsing, and he dishes out, he has:

    - A point guard who doesn't know how to shoot, only passes (Prigioni).
    - Shooters who are afraid to shoot or constantly airball in crunch time (Rakocevic, Vidal, Planicic, Erdogan).
    - A foward that should have helped more (Roe).
    - A hustler, who gets his points from rebounds, but can't create them (Splitter).
    - A good foward like Teletovic who wasn't used.

    And like I said before, the coach only designs two plays for Scola, pick-n-roll and "throw the ball into the post for him, let 3 defenders grab him and dish it out, no it doesn't matter our shooters are 0 for 78 this night".

    The point is: Scola wants to play for the Spurs right now. Tau preffers to get a percentage out of his buyout now rather than nothing next year. He would be a good addition to the Spurs, but, as Oberto, he will need time to adapt. He could bring offensive relief for Timmy in the post when the other team doubles TD, denies the penetration to Manu and Tony, and the 3 pointers aren't falling. As Oberto, he makes good basket cuts and baseline runs. His defense and rebounding are a bit worse than Oberto's ('tho he jumps higher than him). But he understands the game, is always in a good position, and specially, plays at his best when he isn't his team main offensive choice.
    Great post, I hope normal fans begin to understand key concepts of euro basketball, or how FIBA rules are quite harder for dominant inside players when your perimeter is choking (ask Duncan about this).

    It's awesome how they don't get it that Scola is like saying Oberto++, same basketball IQ, same or better rebound avg in Europe, same size, but 5 years younger, faster and more athletic.

    Spurs fans, Oberto is a great intelligent player, I like him a lot, persons with knowledge of euro bball are just telling you to realize how Scola is an improved version of Fabricio.

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    Can Scola play center in the NBA? Oberto is only 6' 9" as well, maybe 6' 10" max. If we go small, and Duncan needs a rest, could Scola play center? Is there a big weight difference between Oberto and Scola?

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    Can Scola play center in the NBA? Oberto is only 6' 9" as well, maybe 6' 10" max. If we go small, and Duncan needs a rest, could Scola play center? Is there a big weight difference between Oberto and Scola?

    Scola 6-9 (2,05cm)

    Oberto 6-10 (2,08cm) Horry 6-10 Butler 6-10 Bonner 6-10 (Mohammed 6-10 )

    Duncan 6-11 (2,11cm)

    Elson 7 (2,13cm)

    Scola's not a center but played excellent like little power foward. He's a better in this position in all Euroleague.
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    Scola could be like a Boozer of the bench

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    I was listening to the DraftExpress podcast and a Bulls fan emailed in asking about trading their 9th pick for Scola!!

    I'd do that trade in a second. Is there any way that is a legit trade?

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    I was listening to the DraftExpress podcast and a Bulls fan emailed in asking about trading their 9th pick for Scola!!

    I'd do that trade in a second. Is there any way that is a legit trade?
    Why the laugh? Let me ask you a question, ¿Are you aware that #9 of draft 2006 was Patrick O'Bryant?

    Do you think Patrick is a better player than Oberto? Would he had contributed more?

    How about a player that compared to Oberto, has the same size, fundamentals and basketball IQ, but 5 years younger, much better midrange shoot, faster and more athetic?

    Are you really sure that it's a lock that the number #9 of any draft will get you a better player than an improved version of Oberto?

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    Why the laugh? Let me ask you a question, ¿Are you aware that #9 of draft 2006 was Patrick O'Bryant?

    Do you think Patrick is a better player than Oberto? Would he had contributed more?

    How about a player that compared to Oberto, has the same size, fundamentals and basketball IQ, but 5 years younger, much better midrange shoot, faster and more athetic?

    Are you really sure that it's a lock that the number #9 of any draft will get you a better player than an improved version of Oberto?

    #9 for Scola is legal by the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

    However, Scott Skiles (Bulls GM) is not an idiot. Scola is not generally considered to be anywhere near as valuable as #9 pick in this draft...

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    Still, in the podcast, Givony seems to get a lot of contract information about Scola wrong - saying his buyout is $9 million, he doesn't look to be coming over any time soon (when he only has one more year on his contract), etc. Frustrating from a guy who should know better.

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    Why the laugh? Let me ask you a question, ¿Are you aware that #9 of draft 2006 was Patrick O'Bryant?

    Do you think Patrick is a better player than Oberto? Would he had contributed more?

    How about a player that compared to Oberto, has the same size, fundamentals and basketball IQ, but 5 years younger, much better midrange shoot, faster and more athetic?

    Are you really sure that it's a lock that the number #9 of any draft will get you a better player than an improved version of Oberto?
    In this draft, #9 gets you a shot at the following players:

    Corey Brewer
    Jeff Green
    Julian Wright
    Al Thornton
    Thaddeus Young

    All of which are the Spurs' dream answer for athletic, long 3 and could play the small-ball 4 (maybe Brewer as exception). Three of which (Green, Brewer, and Thornton) would be ready to play right now, and two of which have the some of the highest potential of anyone in this draft (Wright and Young).

    Yeah....I'd take that deal!

    No kidding....

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    In this draft, #9 gets you a shot at the following players:

    Corey Brewer
    Jeff Green
    Julian Wright
    Al Thornton
    Thaddeus Young

    All of which are the Spurs' dream answer for athletic, long 3 and could play the small-ball 4 (maybe Brewer as exception). Three of which (Green, Brewer, and Thornton) would be ready to play right now, and two of which have the some of the highest potential of anyone in this draft (Wright and Young).

    Yeah....I'd take that deal!

    No kidding....
    Reading you it would seem that year after year great players come at the #9 of the draft, when RESULTS don't support such issue.
    Think about star level euro players lately, Oberto was way below Scola in Europe s om, Nocioni, Charlie Bell or Garbajosa slightly behind, Anthony Parker at his level....

    My question is, checking latest RESULTS with players outcome...would you be so sure that a #9 of the draft has more chance to becoming a better contributor than an Euroleague superstar?

    Wich was the latest real contributor coming from #9.... Igoudala? have you checked the rest? aren't crappy players the majority? will you deny that?
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    Recent #9 Picks:

    2006 - Patrick O'Bryant
    2005 - Ike Diogu
    2004 - Andre Iguodala
    2003 - Mike Sweetney (!)
    2002 - Amare Stoudamire
    2001 - Rodney White (!)
    2000 - Joel Przybilla

    You have two stars/superstars in a mix of crap. Too bad, those odds would encourage the Bulls to keep the pick, especially in a good draft.

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    Recent #9 Picks:

    2006 - Patrick O'Bryant
    2005 - Ike Diogu
    2004 - Andre Iguodala
    2003 - Mike Sweetney (!)
    2002 - Amare Stoudamire
    2001 - Rodney White (!)
    2000 - Joel Przybilla

    You have two stars/superstars in a mix of crap. Too bad, those odds would encourage the Bulls to keep the pick, especially in a good draft.
    I guess you're right, several stars from time to time (in the midle of crap players the other years) would make the odd against the spurs, despite Scola being more NBA ready.

    What could Spurs negotiate is that Bulls don't need another SF as they need an inside Scorer (Scola and inside scoring are synonyms)...so, if the Bulls won't trade #9 directly, Spurs could include something extra in the package (Spurs first round pick, an interesting bench player), to make the deal happen, ¿don't you think?

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    Honestly, no, I don't think there's any way to pry the #9 from Chicago.

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    I guess you're right, several stars from time to time (in the midle of crap players the other years) would make the odd against the spurs, despite Scola being more NBA ready.

    What could Spurs negotiate is that Bulls don't need another SF as they need an inside Scorer (Scola and inside scoring are synonyms)...so, if the Bulls won't trade #9 directly, Spurs could include something extra in the package (Spurs first round pick, an interesting bench player), to make the deal happen, ¿don't you think?
    That way we go back to the Nocioni for Scola+someone else scenario.

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    For a futur hypothetical Nocioni for Scola trade, it will be interesting to see who Bulls draft. If they draft Noah, they should be more interested in Scola than if they draft Yi.

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    For a futur hypothetical Nocioni for Scola trade, it will be interesting to see who Bulls draft. If they draft Noah, they should be more interested in Scola than if they draft Yi.
    Agreed, this will be a plot-line to follow as the draft approaches.

    A snag in the Nocioni to Spurs hypothetical is the Bulls' interest in Kobe Bryant and the possiblity that Nocioni is a likely candidate to be included in any deals for a superstar player...be it Kobe, Garnett, Gasol, O'Neal, etc.

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