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So SR started a thread about signing Horry during the 2003 playoffs? Damn, they are ahead of the curve.
Was he or was he not in favor of Kidd to SA?
I suppose it could have been someone else that said that...MB for certain was pro kidd.
Luckily I moved all the Kidd threads into the classic forum during my time as mod...I'll have to browse.
So SR started a thread about signing Horry during the 2003 playoffs? Damn, they are ahead of the curve.
I am guessing that LJ said something like, "I understand from the front office point of view that if you have a chance to look at Jason Kidd, you look at Jason Kidd."
See, back then he was still sucking up to the front office so he agreed with their every move.
But he always thought Tony would be very good from way back in the day, so he never really was an advocate of bringing in Kidd (and ruining Tony here).
Yeah....it was started before the end of the playoffs, after the Laker series and people were speculating on if the Lakers were going to bring him back...I'd link to it...but it got deleted. I was a fulltime FSP'er by draft night.
The two topics that I ever remember Ghost and MB agreeing on where I was on the other side of the fence was Kidd To SA and Free Stephen Jackson. I didn't want Kidd and I thought Stephen Jackson played too wildly too ever be a championship caliber player.
Kidd worked out well for me. Ghost and MB owned 95% of the forum on the Free Stephen Jackson take.
Remember how GW used to bash the FO? And get owned in the process...I am guessing you don't
timvp liked Parker since the 2000 Nike Hoops Summit. That was the first time I saw him. I was rooting hard for the Spurs to draft him in 2001. I thought he'd give the Spurs the speed they'd need to transition from an old team to a more athletic team.
I didn't know, however, that'd he'd be a three-time champion, a two-time all-star and have a Finals MVP by the age of 25.
i think alot of us thought that in the spring of 02.I thought Stephen Jackson played too wildly too ever be a championship caliber player.
Especially after that road game in Miami where he was absolutely terrible.
MB and Ghost were the two most steadfast supporters of SJax. SJax was horrible as a Spur until that one Lakers game where he dropped eight threes or whatever that was. I was ready to pull a whottt and give up on the young talent that was SJax around the late preseason of 2002.
Their kiss-and-make-up after the break-up cyber-sex is gonna rock.
Last edited by drmvp; 07-16-2007 at 02:38 PM.
That was a great night.SJax was horrible as a Spur until that one Lakers game where he dropped eight threes or whatever that was
I think I remember a certain poster winning a big screen that night at that game as well
Busted:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=170
whottt's own genius stance on the Kidd issue:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2901
Proof that whottt was already a member of FSP full time prior to the end of the finals:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2757
And BTW, You guys have always jobbed me on my join date...if you look at my EZ board join date you will see it preceded the existence of FSP. And whott wasn't my first nic I used either...I used TheGOAT, Anderson'sshoulder, DROB Fan ...a bunch of others from 98 on, I never used them more than once or twice though, I'd sign up say something and then forget the passowrd.
...I was at the board at MYSA years and years ago, I don;t know if it was SR or not...but it was the first non usenet MB for the Spurs I remember...and the WOAI board. I didn't start using whottt until after the Jim Rome boards died. But basically...I wasn't much of a poster, because the quality of posts were so good, I didn't have to post. I also didn't really remember any speciffic posters other than GW and at WOAI F7 and all of those Conan trolls......I just started posting regularly because Dusty forced us to sign up and I had to get in on the Kidd debate. Prior to that I was mainly concerned with smacking Lakerfans at Jim Rome and trolling Wrestling groups on the Usenet.
Incidentally...that bag Rocketfan named KingMalakai in that DRob thread just made a reapparance for the first time since 03 in one of these Scola threads.
Last edited by whottt; 07-16-2007 at 03:54 AM.
To be fair...I did read some of the others...and you were basically an anti-kidd...
Must have been baselinebum who said it, "you do it(sign Kidd), no questions asked".....he's pretty good with a phrase as well..
Busted?
How much more right could a person have been on the Parker versus Kidd subject?
I rationalized the acquisition just like I attempted to rationalize the Rockets trade. It doesn't mean I was for either.
Good. I almost had to go classic thread diving.
How in the did I give up on young talent? I am pulling for Mahinmi...
And how hard was it to want Jack when the alternative was Smitty?
Don't agree with that--even if every thing he said works out, trading both of thos players for a second round pick and cash is like the NBA version of leaving them on the curb for trash pickup.
Everyone keeps saying to salary dump Beno and Barry and move on. You all make it seem like it's that simple to just get rid of those players. If money was the motivation, cutting them won't do you any good. And you'd have to assume that teams wanted them for a trade to happen, which apparently no one did.
Has anyone actually considered that if the Spurs didn't make this move, there would be no trade to make because no other deals would pop up? Not every Spur is a tradeable asset. To me it appears the Spurs made the only deal they could make because no one else wanted to make it.
As far as questioning the Spurs moves and saying that they've only made two good moves, Parker and Gino, I think you're forgetting other contributers to le teams.
There's Stephen Jackson, on the cusp of being out of the league, getting Steve Kerr back, signing Claxton. That's three players who helped in a huge way in 03. Oh, and don't forget some defensive specialist that they signed that no one really applauded at the time, you know Bruce Bowen.
In 05 they fleeced the Knicks for Nazr, who helped the Spurs win the 05 le. Oh, and they picked up some guy the year before who hit some big shots in 05. Have you heard of Robert Horry? Barry was big against the Suns if I'm not mistaken.
This past year, signing Vaughn was a good deal because it provided veteran leadership behind Parker, and while his production doesn't show up in a boxscore, the team ran smoothly with him on the floor, something that didn't always happen with Barry. Oh, and of course, signing Finley the year before was nice too.
And the most overlooked signing that everyone forgets, but had the biggest impact on the Spurs this year, getting Chip Englland. Does Parker come close to sniffing the Finals MVP trophy without the guy?
This FO has put pieces around Duncan that no one seems to want, yet has now provided the team 3 les in 5 years.
Again, show a little respect for what they're doing. Don't assume you actually know more than them, or what deals can be made, because you don't have the inside info they do.
You can gripe about a trade while still respecting that fact. The thing is, most of you all assume there was a lot more to be made by trading Scola and Butler and a better way to do things, when the fact may be that this really was the only way.
Have any of you all ever considered that for even a moment?
My first reaction about this trade was that it was a bad trade.
The more I think as it, the less I dislike it.
I now think that it's a margial trade that won't change something.
Spurs had to trade Butler and Scola, they don't get a great return for them but it's not abig deal : Butler sucks and Scola won't be better than most of MLE bigmen Houston could have signed with the MLE.
Scola will probably never play in the NBA, so it's not a bad move by the Spurs
The thing I don't think people consider is that we have Ginobili and Oberto on this team. Don't you think that if these two really felt that Scola was a player that could really help the Spurs, they could have convinced management to sign him?
they probably hate him
ing unreal to let scola go for nothing!!!!!
Spurs office will regret this
No...the Spurs asked Manu who's better Scola or Oberto...Manu said said Scola, so the Spurs signed Oberto.
he woulda never played for the spurs anyhow
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