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In your mind's eye, are you really that terrified of Artest hurting the Spurs playoff chances if they traded for him?
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Hope? Nobody's running for president in the NBA.
Different player, different coaching staff. Jackson can handle prima donnas and nutcases. Pop's program is different. Chicago also won 3 les after MJ played a full season again.After Rodman joined a championship infrastructure in Chicago, they won 3 rings with him.
In your mind's eye, are you really that terrified of Artest hurting the Spurs playoff chances if they traded for him?
Question.
Don't know if this question is meant for all, but in my mind - YES. I think Artest takes away more than he adds.
Obviously if the Spurs picked him up for a song, I would cheer, and hope that Artest doesn't flip out. But if the only 2 options are A) stand pat or B) Trade for Artest - I choose A.
Not my diagnosis. It's a diagnosis made by several health professionals. That's why he has a list of prescriptions as long as his arms.
You are a fool. A responsible organization cannot just ignore the fact that he is mentally ill. Imagine the potential liability issues for a moment. How would you feel if your employer assigned you to work with a nutcase, becuase it "might work out, someday."
Also, we are talking about an individual who almost single-handedly destroyed a successful franchise. (To be fair to Artest, he may have had a lot more help than most Pacers' fans are willing to admit.) Is the Spurs' organization sounder than the Pacers' organization? Almost certainly. However, find me one person who honestly thought that the Palace Brawl and resulting shakeup were real possibilities beforehand. In other words, just keep repeating "it can't happen here" over and over again. I'm sure that's a valid strategy.
Discussing basketball on a message board does not 'terrify' me. Discussing it with you amuses me.
Anyways, bringing on a real risk like Artest when you have a good crew together doesn't make that much sense, especially a championship level group. Plus he doesn't address a real need, like say, a 4th big who can rebound and defend.
That's what I don't get. Ghost seems to think that there are no ramifications that come with taking Artest on. Of course, he wouldn't have to be the one to coach him or play with him. All he would need to do is descend into this forum on occasion and about why the Spurs aren't letting Artest out of his straitjacket and onto the court.
Artest can rebound and defend.
And block more shots than Elson or Oberto.
Artest is not what's needed.
Artest can chuck more bad shots than Pop will ever allow too. He can cost you a game with an ill-advised shot, and will not take the critique easily. The only reason I would take Artest is simply so another team cannot get him, considering he's probably the guy that gives Manu the most trouble. I just don't think that justification is good enough to give away future picks.
Much like Kobe, shot selection improves when you play with superior talent.
On top of everything else, San Antonio and Indianapolis are marginal markets. After years of exemplary behavior by the team on and off the court, a few well-publicized, major episodes have all but destroyed the Pacers as a successful business enterprise in Indiana. Fans are disgusted and staying away en masse. Indiana LOVES its basketball, yet the Pacers will have to move if this trend is not reversed, and soon.
Do you really want to take these kinds of risks with your hometown team? (Not you, Holt's Cat, it's a rhetorical question.) It reminds me of people who take laetrile for cancer: let's ingest a known poison on the offhand chance that the USDA is wrong and a damn peach pit can beat cancer. You might take that risk when you're dying, but you don't do it for kicks when you're perfectly healthy.
Winning solves everything.
Re-fvckin-lax.
It certainly did in Indiana and Sacramento.
Once again, Indiana sucks. Maybe if they were winning they wouldn't have to be loading up on white guys to get the fans back. The Spurs are too good for Artest to ruin.
Translation = "It can't happen here!"
Just keep telling yourself that... If you repeat it long enough, it magically becomes true!
It's all about winning
All the concerns that fans have with players the front office careless about because it’s all about dollars and winning in professional sporting.
So Artest has a meltdown here.
He's gone.
The Spurs go on without having to become lillywhite.
Sorry your team sucks.
It does when you have an experienced veteran team instead of a young up n coming team.
Huge difference there...and a difference that a lot of Spursfans have first hand experience observing...with Dennis Rodman.
He was a cancerous head that arguably cost the Spurs two playoff series here, but he was a huge asset to the Bulls second threepeat.
And don't say Rodman wasn't as mentally ill as Artest...he was as bad and maybe even worse. Yeah he didn't get suspended as much as Artest does, but he was 10 times the distraction and contoversy...and he'd miss key playoff games or not show up for practice, during hte playoffs.
However that changed when Rodman went to the Bulls, because it just wasn't as big of a deal in Chicago....and he was no longer this huge distraction...because the Bulls were an established veteran team that knew how to win.
At least according to Phil Jackson.
The Spurs are experienced and veteran of a team as you can get.....Artest would not be able to distract this team from it's purpose. Guys like Duncan Manu and Finley...they aren't the same as Jermaine O'Neal and Mike Bibby.
Alriiiiiiight, whott.
Thatta boy.
The asking price is right and Artest could be a great experiment with the ability to let him go in the offseason.
A lot of good points, whott. I do have to agree that just cutting Artest would not decimate the Spurs.
However, I'm not saying Artest WOULD destroy the Spurs, I'm saying that the potential risk is all out of proportion to the potential reward.
Still, I do find the hubris amusing. "It can't happen here!" I wonder how many Jews in Poland, circa 1939, said the same thing?
However, I'm not saying Artest WOULD destroy the Spurs, I'm saying that the potential risk is all out of proportion to the potential reward. -- Reggie Miller
I feel the exact opposite and have proven why.
Barry, Elson and the first rounder are doing nothing for the team today.
Cut him ...resign him and trade him. He remains easily tradeable...
Nah...he won't destroy a team with Robert Horry, Tim Duncan, Manu and Mike Finley on it...
However, I'm not saying Artest WOULD destroy the Spurs, I'm saying that the potential risk is all out of proportion to the potential reward.
He won't be asked to be a leader on this team...
This team has too many experienced veteran leaders that won't let him sidetrack the team.
Winning championships helps...the Spurs already know what it takes to win.
Still, I do find the hubris amusing. "It can't happen here!" I wonder how many Jews in Poland, circa 1939, said the same thing?
It really can't happen here...
On top of all that.... he might actually help the Spurs ratings...because he is a draw, just like Tyson, just like Rodman.
It'll definitely be harder for the media asshats to call the Spurs boring and predictable with Artest on this team.
From what I have heard, he's going to Denver, it just hasn't been announced yet.
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