ESPN radio: Brent Barry has just been waived

[fyatuk]

4- He has to wait 30 days to sign with the Spurs. That is a long time for Pheonix or LA or anyone to work on him. It's also plenty of time to see how these new trades are working out, if he wants to rest for a couple of weeks. There is no reason to think he might not take a look around, listen to some deals and decide, , if I play for the Suns, I have a better chance at a ring.

We can start talking to him immediately, we just can't sign him. At least, that's how the rule appears to be written to me.

[easjer]

We can start talking to him immediately, we just can't sign him. At least, that's how the rule appears to be written to me.

Yes, but until he's signed, he can entertain other offers and be wooed by other teams.

I'm not celebrating until this deal is inked.

ETA - a lot can happen over the course of a month. If someone has a major injury, that could change the landscape. If one team hits a chemistry issue or has a skid, that could change the landscape. If one team goes on a wild tear (for instance - Houston, who we've been dismissin in this thread, has won 10 games in a row. Let's say they have a monster March, and suddenly jump the division standings, shall we?), there is nothing stopping Brent from saying, 'well, I thought I wanted to play for the Spurs, but I really think that Houston has a real shot. And I can have more playing time . . . huh, maybe I should give Daryl another call and listen to their offer again.'

All I'm saying is it is far from being a done deal. There are lots of hurdles to cross. I think he comes back, when it's all said and done, but I'm not cracking open the champagne just yet.

Even if he does return - where is he going to play? Udoka and Finley are splitting his minutes and Pop generally tightens the rotation around the time he'd be returning. That could potentially be a strong consideration, if he really wants to play.

[whottt]

No offense, but that's a stupid statement. Nash guards Bowen, since he can't guard anyone else. So if Barry would guard Bowen, we'd still have a badass matchup with whoever Nash guards....

No offense...but Nash lead the NBA in offensive fouls drawn last season...figure it out.

Just saying that's not a good argument.

It's a perfectly fine argument....you guys are looking at it with your Spurs glasses on...not your Suns glasses. It's not that big of a deal to the Suns. Shaq is going to smack the out of whoever comes into the paint anyway...and that's going to be Tony Parker...no matter who they have on him.

I know...that won't hurt a bit.

The Dantoni not caring about D was better.

Thanks...Barry is not a completely helpless defender, he's got quick hands and good length...he gets beaten on the perimeter...so does Manu Ginobili.



What gets me is you guys act like the freakins Suns play defense even now...

They don't. They haven't...they give up over a hundred points a game. What they've done is add the people to trade baskets in a half court game. That's their defense.


Someone just tell me...when are the Suns locking all these players down? When is this happening? It does not happen with any sort of frequency...it's not why they win...it's why we win.

[fyatuk]

No offense...but Nash lead the NBA in offensive fouls drawn last season...figure it out.

Yeah, that's because Nash leaves his man to draw charges as a help defender. You are aware of that, right? He can't guard a cactus one-on-one. And if he's on anyone BUT Bowen, he can't leave them to try and draw charges.

And you took that way too hard man. I was just pointing out that you can't hide Barry's (overblown IMO) deficiencies by having him cover Bowen because it exposes an even more deficient Nash.

[whottt]

And you took that way too hard man. I was just pointing out that you can't hide Barry's (overblown IMO) deficiencies by having him cover Bowen because it exposes an even more deficient Nash.

I want you to tell me when the Suns are getting all these stops to win games due to their defensive personnel...that's all I want to know...when?

They win by blowing teams out and making the last shot...not by shutting people down. You are looking at it as if they win the same way we do...and they don't. And yeah...our way was better...but they have upgraded their basket trading ability substantially....with their recent aquisition of a certain C. Do you think D'antoni spends a great deal of time fretting about his defensive rotations? I think he worries about them only slightly more than Pop worries about Manu's behind the back passing game...

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Why the arguments? Brent will do what Brent will do. I have a feeling he loves this locker room and he'll come back. If he goes somewhere else for a pile of cash, who can blame him - we TRADED him.

Step back and take a chill pill, seriously.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

after two salary dumping trades, the rockets got enough cap room and a roster spot to make a run for Brent Barry!

You suck at math!

[fyatuk]

I want you to tell me when the Suns are getting all these stops to win games due to their defensive personnel...that's all I want to know...when?

They win by blowing teams out and making the last shot...not by shutting people down. You are looking at it as if they win the same way we do...and they don't. And yeah...our way was better...but they have upgraded their basket trading ability substantially....with their recent aquisition of a certain C. Do you think D'antoni spends a great deal of time fretting about his defensive rotations? I think he worries about them only slightly more than Pop worries about Manu's behind the back passing game...

When did I say they did? I even agreed with you that Dantoni not caring about defense was a good argument. I just pointed out that saying "Barry could guard Bowen" was a crap argument for the Suns. Don't be such a tool just to be argumentative.

[whottt]

When did I say they did? I even agreed with you that Dantoni not caring about defense was a good argument. I just pointed out that saying "Barry could guard Bowen" was a crap argument for the Suns. Don't be such a tool just to be argumentative.

Ok so you're saying they won't guard Bowen with Barry if he goes there?

I think you are about to learn what a truly crap argument is....


Because I can promise they will guard Bowen with Barry if he goes there.



Using your logic...they won't even try to sign Barry...because then who would Nash guard when Barry's on the floor? Barry being the worst player in NBA history and largely unfit to step foot on a basketball court, even though we won a le with him basically as our entire backup swing and guard roation, due to injury

Well tool...since they are interested in trying to sign him...I think that that logic would be proven faulty rather quickly.


For the fiftieth time...they aren't the Spurs, they aren't going to bench Barry just because Pop does or for the same reasons..and they aren't worried about who Nash will guard...it's not a big deal.

You know...Barry used to get a lot of minutes before coming to the Spurs...

You know that Beno guy? He wasn't most incompetent player in history...Pop just didn't play him...other teams will...believe it or not.

He gets minutes now...


Don't apply the logic you would to the Spurs to others teams...because it's a crappy argument. Because they aren't the Spurs...and Pop subs utions are Pop's subs utions...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The question is, do you want Duncan single covering Shaq in the post the whole night, or do you want him trying to guard Amare facing up 15 feet from the basket? Either way it's a mismatch, so the Spurs will have to double one of them or Duncan will get in foul trouble

It's a mismatch? What is so ing hard to understand about this? Tim Duncan has been able to single cover Shaq for two years now, and not get in foul trouble doing it.

He doesn't have to cover him the whole night in the post, because Shaq's only going to be good for about 28-30 minutes a night. And it's not like the Spurs won't have some reserves around during that time, but the fact remains Tim can check him.

And you act like the Spurs are going to be on defense all night. Which one of those two checks Tim at the other end? Amare can't check Tim without getting into foul trouble, and Fat Ass has been Duncan's at the offensive end for a while now, to the point that since Shaq has been in Miami Tim Duncan actually has posted higher numbers against Miami than his season averages.

So gimme a break about matchups, either way it's going to be a mismatch when TD is on offense no matter which one of those two is guarding him.

And that's without even touching on the fact that the Spurs have had success using Oberto in the past against Phoenix, and now we just added one of the best low post defenders in the league in Thomas who can spend some time on Shaq if need be.

Again, the Spurs have shown a willingness in the past to let Amare get his and shut down the Phoenix perimeter players (or have you forgotten Amare averaging almost 40 a game in the series a couple of years ago?).

Amare can't beat the Spurs in a playoff series, but if his perimeter players are getting open looks off doubles, Phoenix could. Which is why the Spurs let Amare get his and lock down everyone else.

There's only one ball to go around in Phoenix...

[nkdlunch]

Shaq is a nonfactor nowadays. why are ppl talking about him??

[fyatuk]

Ok so you're saying they won't guard Bowen with Barry if he goes there?

I think you are about to learn what a truly crap argument is....


Because I can promise they will guard Bowen with Barry if he goes there.

I doubt it. If he was in there, he'd be more likely to guard Manu than Bowen. Like I said, Nash only has value if he can leave his guy on defense, and he's very valuable in that role. Barry's deficiencies have been overstated, and while he can't stop Manu, he would certainly be able to funnel him into Amare/Shaq.

Nash will guard Bowen if Bowen is in there. Period. Anything else is pure idiocy to believe. Besides the fact that that is the only person Nash could cover and be able to help off of, it also saves Nash's energy for the offensive end. Apparently you think D'Antoni would rather wear Nash out by having him chase after TP or Manu or getting posted up by Finley, but I don't think D'Antoni is THAT stupid.

Now.... Try making an actual argument instead of flinging stupid comments. Wait, have you ever done that? I haven't seen it. Who care's, you're entertaining. Like the Suns, all style, no substance

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Shaq is a nonfactor nowadays. why are ppl talking about him??

Because ignorant NBA fans remember him being good 10 years ago.

[O.J. Mayonnaise]

I know nobody on Phoenix can guard Tim. Thats why he gets 35 a night against them in the playoffs. If they don't double Amare, he'll do the same thing, except Amare is playing next to Shaq, while Duncan plays next to Oberto.

When the Spurs have played Miami in the past, have they really put Duncan on Shaq? Against Miami, Duncan spent more time on Haslem than on Shaq. Same thing when San Antonio plays Houston. Oberto spends more time Yao, while Duncan takes the power forward. I'm not saying Duncan can't do it, because I think he's the best defensive player in the NBA, but the matchups for Duncan against the Suns now are tougher than they have been in the past. Last year, at times during the game, they could rest Duncan on defense by putting him on Kurt Thomas who just shoots jumpers.

Now, I think the Suns will have to double team Duncan more this year without Thomas to guard him, leaving more shooters open, but I think the Spurs will have to double more on defense also. The Spurs might have to just outscore the Suns to win the series, more than in the past.

[whottt]

I doubt it. If he was in there, he'd be more likely to guard Manu than Bowen. Like I said, Nash only has value if he can leave his guy on defense, and he's very valuable in that role.

And what part of the Suns don't give a about defense don't you get?

Geezus...you?

You are stuck on stupid.

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Barry's deficiencies have been overstated, and while he can't stop Manu, he would certainly be able to funnel him into Amare/Shaq.

And so have Nash's deficiencies...

Nash will guard Bowen if Bowen is in there. Period. Anything else is pure idiocy to believe. Besides the fact that that is the only person Nash could cover and be able to help off of,

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it also saves Nash's energy for the offensive end. Apparently you think D'Antoni would rather wear Nash out by having him chase after TP or Manu or getting posted up by Finley, but I don't think D'Antoni is THAT stupid.

I think they'll put him on Parker...it's not like they have anyone that stops Parker anyway...and then they'll have Shaq smack the out of Parker every time he goes into the paint...it'll take about 2 times before Tony's lost quite a bit of enthusiasm for that whole paint Shaq idea...

Now.... Try making an actual argument instead of flinging stupid comments. Wait, have you ever done that? I haven't seen it. Who care's, you're entertaining. Like the Suns, all style, no substance

Why don't you stop mentioning the Suns defensive concerns...idiot, and then go take a look at their defensive stats.

[whottt]

What's funny is you acting like Steve Nash would actually chase Parker if he was assigned to defend him...


That's a good one...

Someday, you'll watch Steve Nash actually play a game and realize how funny that statement really was.


Putting him on Tony is no worse than putting Gary Payton or Jason Kidd on him...the hot knife does not care what kind of butter it is...

[O.J. Mayonnaise]

Against the Suns, half the time nobody guards Parker. He's the guy they double off of and leave wide open. Last year I remember a story about him asking Diaw why the Suns left him wide open all the time saying he wasn't a great shooter, but he's still in the NBA.

[whottt]

What the is a Clipperfan doing on a basketball forum this late in the season?

[O.J. Mayonnaise]

Oh, just imagining what it would be like to have a compe ive team. Also, I love watching Tim and Manu,

[whottt]

Oh, just imagining what it would be like to have a compe ive team.

You just had to take all the fun out of it didn't you?

[nkdlunch]

Against the Suns, half the time nobody guards Parker. He's the guy they double off of and leave wide open. Last year I remember a story about him asking Diaw why the Suns left him wide open all the time saying he wasn't a great shooter, but he's still in the NBA.

Parker's shot was bad until a year ago. I would have left him open too. Bad for the Suns that Parker learned how to shoot. But then again D'antoni is not the best informed coach

[O.J. Mayonnaise]

The Spurs are the anti-Clippers (duh). They win, everyone gets along. The Clippers, on the other hand have a winning season every, like, 20 years. Right now, the Coach hates the owners favorite player (Maggette) and wants to get rid of him, their best player is injured, and who knows when their star point guard of the future will return.

[Solid D]

Wow....9 pages so far. Hmmm, whottt got into you people?

[jcrod]

He's coming back, you know it had to be prearranged this way. I'll be very supprised if he signs somewhere else.

[m33p0]

any reaction from Stern, Cuban or Phil?