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in the playoffs, i don't think he's 'bad.' adequate at best, but not bad. but in the regular season, he gambles too much and there are stretches where you can tell that he is resting on the defensive end of the floor.
I used that example because it was the one time this season Ginobili's main defensive assignment this season was an All-Star caliber swingman. Which players has he guarded well to prove to you that he's a good one-on-one defender?
Ginobili never guards players who constantly go around screens. Name one such player he has guarded this season. Instead, Pop would rather put Ginobili on a point guard and let Parker run around the screens.So the same Rondo who roasted Tony Parker is supposed to be some easy assignment?That doesn't make sense either. I'm pretty sure you'll see Ginobili on Ray Allen and Parker on Rondo. No way in they're going to put Ginobili on some speed demon.
in the playoffs, i don't think he's 'bad.' adequate at best, but not bad. but in the regular season, he gambles too much and there are stretches where you can tell that he is resting on the defensive end of the floor.
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i know but i do think that manu is a good one-on-one defender and that's what i'm arguing
Defence is not just 1 on 1...
Manu is a good defender (when he wants), but his 1 on 1 is probably the worst part of his game.
What is the next thread going to be about? Asado vs barbecue? Araceli González vs Eva Longoria?
Saludos.
You were talking about his defence, you never mentioned his 1 on 1 in particular.
Having said that, I disagree with you, his 1 on 1 is subpar. He man is not perfect you know? He's good to excelent in everything else.
Benching Manu in 4th Qs woud have a very positive result . . .
when the F did i say manu's perfect?
MVP does not mean "foundation"
Actually, you don't have to say it necesary , when you don't agree his only defect is not such...
a lot of specialist (john hollinger, Mark Stein, Henry Abbott among others) think that manu is a great defender do you think that they think that manu's perfect?
You used a swingman that just happened to be a SF that even big guys like Lebron have trouble guarding. It's a big-time size mismatch. Ginobili should not be able to guard him period. The Spurs switch so much on defense when is someone truly defending one guy anyway?
Strange, because I saw him on Rip Hamilton down the stretch in the Spurs' biggest game of 2005. , this is the NBA. Every swingman uses screens/picks at one time or another.Ginobili never guards players who constantly go around screens. Name one such player he has guarded this season. Instead, Pop would rather put Ginobili on a point guard and let Parker run around the screens.
1) You ignored my question.
2) Bowen truly defends one player on most nights.
Didn't happen.
Big Easy? Big Snub. by Henry Abbott
MANU GINOBILI
Manu Ginobili is a superstar. He just happens to play shorter minutes, have lowest scoring average, than the likes of Allen Iverson. Tony Parker was the MVP of the finals last year, but in the guts of crunch time, ginobili was the guy with the daggers AT BOTH ENDS OF THE FLOOR. There's really not anything he can't do -- he is an excellent 3pt shooter, he drives to the hole as splendidly as anyone, AND HE PLAYS KILLER D. if you were picking teams, all stars teams, pick-up teams, or whatever, i'll take Ginobili, you take Iverson, and we'll see who wins.
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The Church of Manu is just too freaking sensitive. Nobody is criticizing Ginobili's abilities per se, only providing the Spurs' team context. A similar example is Derek Fisher. The Jazz announcers (and even some national announcers) say that the Jazz miss his defense, while Laker fans call for his head because of his poor D against other PGs. The thing is, Fisher's D was valuable in Utah because hardly anyone plays any consistent D there.
Similarly, Manu may or may not be a good 1-on-1 defender. It doesn't freaking matter. For the Spurs, what matters is that Bowen takes the best perimeter player and Udoka spells him; for all other perimeter players, Duncan protects the rim and the others are expected to funnel their men into the shotblocker but not give them the open 3. This philosophy is the reason why Phoenix shoots well from 3 against almost every team in the L, but shoots poorly beyond the arc when they play us. It is because of the Spurs' defensive philosophy. Manu needs to be adequate for it to succeed (which he is), but Duncan needs to be (and is) great for this to succeed.
Just because the scheme works, let us not overrate Manu's defensive ability. He is good, but wouldn't make an all-defensive team (an award voted for by NBA head coaches, not the bandwagoning media).
Bottomline, without Duncan we would be a poor defensive team. Without Manu we'd still be a great one
If you ONLY look at this season then yeah Manu has been our MVP this year but Tim is still our Rock and Tim always turns it on come playoff time. There is still no question that neither one would have the rings they have without the other.
as pop would say, get over yourselves. the only award that matters is champion, and that goes to the team.
I just cant beleave it, what the f*uck do you people need to see how allstar Manu is ¿?
Big Easy? Big Snub. by Henry Abbott
MANU GINOBILI
Manu Ginobili is a superstar. He just happens to play shorter minutes, have lowest scoring average, than the likes of Allen Iverson. Tony Parker was the MVP of the finals last year, but in the guts of crunch time, ginobili was the guy with the daggers AT BOTH ENDS OF THE FLOOR. There's really not anything he can't do -- he is an excellent 3pt shooter, he drives to the hole as splendidly as anyone, AND HE PLAYS KILLER D. if you were picking teams, all stars teams, pick-up teams, or whatever, i'll take Ginobili, you take Iverson, and we'll see who wins.
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-----> What the freack ???? , ask Kobe if Manu can defend.
Then you need glasses. He was on Rip and Tayshaun down the stretch of that game. And he covered Bowen's ass when he got beat off the dribble by Chauncey Billups. Damn shame when I have a better memory of that game than one of the biggest Spurs fan on this board. I still remember Hubie Brown commenting on Ginobili being up in Rip's jersey
After some consideration, I've finally figured it out.
DAF86 IS aaronstampler!
Who else would make such impassioned defenses of Manu where none are warranted?
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