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Maybe, you know zilchhh, about this stuff, SGTFO
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Grow some ing balls people.
Maybe, you know zilchhh, about this stuff, SGTFO
Last edited by marini martini; 04-06-2008 at 11:28 PM.
When I was in nursing school we used to have all these dumbass "awareness raising" exercises, to help us relate to people in different kinds of crisis. One of the exercises was with some law enforcement folks and they told us that domestic disputes are the most dangerous calls they respond to. Because they are additionally fueled by passion. They also said they are the most dangerous situations for good samaritans. And if most people knew that, I think they would still try to help; it's just they way most of us are wired.
Of course it's a really easy thing to say you'd do(intervene) but much murkier when the situation presents itself right in front of you.
In the last two years, two of these situations have occurred when I was at the bar. In one, the guy smashed a 32 ounce glass on my buddy's face, splitting his face open from forehead to chin. Over 250 s ches and at least 6 surgeries so far.
In the other, random guy played the white knight and stopped this dude from handling his girlfriend in the bar. Boyfriend left the bar, waited for GS and shot him twice in the face in the parking lot. DOA.
No thanks.
You are absolutely right about that! I've stopped and helped at accidents, and it was no problem. But I could easily see myself paralyzed with fear in any sort of physical altercation (unless my children were involved). It's just hard to say, but I think most people are "programmed" to stand up for the underdog. That being said, I totally understand someone choosing not to get involved in such a potentially dangerous situation.
balls is being smart enough to keep out of other peoples so your kids have a father that actually raises them. Family first is the ultimate balls.
As much as it may make me sound like a pussy, I would intervene for nobody.
If it's really bad, that's what 911 is for.
Midge was right in not getting involved when he saw that dude punching that girl. Who knows what that guy would've done.
And, now that I have a kid, there's no way in holy that I'd risk my life or that of my child for any or that.
I'll call 9-11, but that's about it.
I'll defend my kid and my family to death, but I won't do it for others.
I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I knew that I was too much of a pussy to not intervene and the women getting beat up died or something. That's just me.
Calling the cops isn't going to do any good if the situation calls for immediate attention.
Same thing if a house was burning down and I heard a women/man shouting for help.
If everyone took an isolationist philosophy we'd have let Nazi's take over the world, or any other danger we're faced with just blow by us if it doesn't threaten us/our family with death.
Those who wouldn't step in because of their safety or those of their family ... I wonder what you would think if it was YOUR daughter or sister, wife, whoever who needed help. If they were in trouble and died because nobody intervened, would you lament why nobody stepped in to help them?
Johnny Blaze--why is KSAT still reporting that their was a dispute and she intervened? I was just watching the noon news and that's they are still saying.
Yea, getting killed helping someone and leaving my child to be raised by other people makes perfect sense.
That's a stupid ass bull statement.
And, by the way, America stood by silently while Hitler slowly took control of Eurpoe.
But, anyway, you make powerful statements that the great debaters of our time can hardly counter.
If my daughter or sister were in trouble . . . that's when I would intervene. But, they are left to make choices that affect their own lives. If they choose to be with an abusive man and refuse help getting out of that particular situation, what else can one do?
you're right you wouldn't be living with yourself you'd have no self and be dead.
Most abused women don't choose to be with abusive men.
Except that this doctor wasn't in an abusive relationship. She was happily married and apparently had a stalker of sorts.
So, if that was your daughter as an adult, and she was arguing with her stalker and nobody stepped in, you would be OK with that because they were right to mind their own business?
You've never lived in the Valley.
Most of the girls/women I have known that have been in an abusive relationship defend their men until the very end.
Now, I realize that I'm making a generalization, but that's been my experience.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'd be pissed if my daughter was killed by some psycho.
But, there is now way in I'd blame other people for her death.
Answer this question:
Just what in was anyone supposed to do against a guy with a gun?
I feel badly that the doctor had to die. And, that man was nothing but a chicken bas for doing that to her. But, seriously, what could anyone have done to stop this mad man?
I love how easy it is for some of you people to just sacrifce your own lives for nothing, I think half of you big talkers are full of or simply don't have any children. The thought of your kids going on without you is pretty ing powerful. I think its a total lack of understanding what exactly death is and what ceasing to exist really means. To simply throw yourself around as if you're some kind of hero is ridiculous. To basically sit here and tell me your life your breath is of less value as some strangers is pretty pathetic. At some point you have to give your self some value or worth.
Every situation is different and will bring a different reaction out of me. I'll give you a very personal example.
Saw a car flip over and land on its roof over on 1604 near Braun area, or a bit past that, when it was just one way each way. I made the judgement to get out and help get the people out to safety. I rendered aide when they needed it most. I felt it was a safe move and I was right there.
Flip side
One night on News Years I was driving down 1604 but down near Bulverde Rd. A BMW crossed the median and slammed head first into an oncoming car. BMW driver was already nearly engulfed in flames. We jumped out and grabbed the driver from the struck car and once we got him out the flames and fire were just too much and we started to hear some serious popping sounds. We all backed off and had to watch the guy burn to death. Just wasn't going to happen. No way was my life worth his in such a close call type of situation.
No one here is saying don't offer help no one here is saying don't render aide to those that need it. I don't know if I'd enter a burning house or not, I haven't been faced with it. I do know that I have no intentions in getting involved in any type of confrontation or questionable situation between two or more adults.
There's a difference between being OK with it, and understanding why a person didn't intervene. My responsibility is to my wife and my family. Not being there for them is a failure of that responsibility. I didn't sign up to be everybody's hero.
Now, in the case of Julie, the guy confronted her as she was going to her car, and shot her three times. At what point do you not intervene? When you see a knife? When you see a gun? Do you still intervene when weapons are present?
My guess is, most of the people are just playing the vigilante role, when in all actuality, they'd keep their distance. And probably none of these people have ever actually BEEN in a situation that calls for it, so they don't have - but it just looks better to say that they'd be a hero.
You are right about that. Obviously, he already had his mind made up, someone was going to die. But that just factors in another variable: Would someone be more likely to intervene if the assailant was holding a rock? I still think at the very moment, most people wouldn't stop to make a choice, they would just intervene. That being right, wrong, smart or stupid!
That's the key.
I help out people as much as I can. And, I'll continue to do so as long as it doesn't inturde on my safety and the safety of the ones I love, mainly my daughter.
I don't understand how any of these people posting consider it "heroic" to get in between a man and a woman having it out when one of these, if not both, are packing heat.
What would this action prove? Nothing. Not a god damn thing. It would only leave my daughter with out a father, and years of counseling in her future.
It doesn't make sense to me that I would sacrifice myself to help someone I don't know and leave my own loved ones to suffer because of it.
Who will be there for my daughter and my loved ones if I should die defending someone?
Nobody.
I agree with everything you said.
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