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You call that drivel you type "intelligent"? It's not about being a homer. It's about being realistic and observant enough to realize what's really going on instead of being a myopic fool and not budging from a standpoint that's clearly flawed.
No - The team is now weaker in crucial areas
Yes - Kidd is what is needed to get them that championship
I changed my mind, the Kidd trade was great!
DD
You call that drivel you type "intelligent"? It's not about being a homer. It's about being realistic and observant enough to realize what's really going on instead of being a myopic fool and not budging from a standpoint that's clearly flawed.
It's not about being a homer, it's about knowing what you're talking about. Nobody among the Mavs fans has been more critical of this team than me. But I watch the team enough to know that DeSagana ing Diop isn't a key piece of the puzzle.
If you gave us any inkling that you actually watch the team then maybe your fan credentials would be believable, Bulls fan.
Remember when Shawn Bradley had a double-double in that one game? We should've never gotten rid of him, just like we should've never gotten rid of Diop.
The Spurs were able to control a much better Jason Kidd in the 03 Finals. Tony Parker was 20 years old and in his second year and while he was inconsistent in that series, he was a good enough starting point guard to win the first of his three rings. I think Tony knows a lot more about basketball than the posters here since he earns a living doing it.
TP liked the Kidd trade. For the Spurs. Devin Harris was a much more difficult matchup for him than Kidd is. Diop was a defensive presence at the rim. Still don't like the trade (if I was a Mavs fan).
The Mavs basically insured a two year window of potential success in the playoffs that ends next year. I don't see them going the distance in the forseeable future.
Last edited by Harry Callahan; 04-09-2008 at 04:22 PM.
I don't how many times I yelled at the screen put in a center but it happens quite a lot. I don't know how you haven't seen that as a problem. Diop is one of best shotblocking centers in the league so yes I think it is a big lost. We had no problems scoring with Diop in the game.
It's not about being a homer, it's about knowing what you're talking about. Nobody among the Mavs fans has been more critical of this team than me. But I watch the team enough to know that DeSagana ing Diop isn't a key piece of the puzzle.
If you gave us any inkling that you actually watch the team then maybe your fan credentials would be believable, Bulls fan.
Yeah it must be tough seeing Joakim Noah struggle out there.
Another stupid comment. Bradley couldn't defend anyone one on one and hurt our rebounding. Diop>>>Bradley.
Um, Shawn Bradley was just as good a rebounder as Diop. Check the numbers. I'll give you a pass since you were a Bulls fan back when Bradley was on the team.
massive stain, not really. He's one shy of 100 career triple doubles;
basically has one foot in the HOF;
been to 2 NBA finals;
has never relied on a shot because he gets freebies for everyone else!
Why don't you go talk to Shaq about his inability to shoot free throws and ask him if its stained his career ...
Can't shoot can't penetrate?? You guys seem to have less and less of a basketball IQ ... How is he a liability in the half court? How well has he shot the 3 ball since he's been here? hahaha Can't create in teh half court like Nash?
Fool
He's been doing that way before Nash has and still can and does! but im sure you have some sort of 'stat' to back that up right? I bet it's that you can't watch the games, only read the box scores ... BTW Devin didn't seem to learn how to make a shot till this year.
Hmm let's see;
Things that have gotten better since Kidd's been here
Transition offense
Defense
opponents fg%
Josh Howard [player as a whole]
Eric Dampier [now a scorer on the blocks and better rebounder be causes he's involved in the offense]
early offense due to the increase in pushing the ball after makes and misses
the ability to set up teammates and shooters without the advent of a play
+steals
assists
spurts/runs
i could go on all day ... and each one of those categories is proven: that is if you even watch the games.
say what you want about the finals appearance, but that team was a flash in a pan ... the league grew accustomed to the mavs and actually got way better. We stayed stagnant and didn't bring in better players and this is what happened. Other than a better shot, tell me one thing that Devin has significantly improved upon over the last 3 years that would warrant the organization to spend/waste another 3 or so years trying to develop [while wasting valuable years of dirk's career]
Doesn't matter. We always played zone defense with Bradley in there which hurt our rebounding. It covered the lack of ability Bradley had in his individual defense.
we had the same team !!!! it got us nowhere this year man come on! And it definitely got us booted last year because we had [0] play makers and [0] true point guards.
Yes it does. Yet again you have no clue what the you're talking about, Bulls fan.
And zone defense wasn't even allowed for most of Bradley's years on the team. The years you spent rooting for the Bulls.
Yes it's about this year. No one is doubting whether Kidd in his prime wasn't a better player. Kidd has had a way better career but this year, Harris has been the better overall player. It's sad seeing great players start to lose it. I think we got Kidd 1 year too late.
ROFLMAO....adding a period after my moniker to make it look like me...PATHETIC....
Mono.....you still unable to hold a civil discussion? Or are your parents going to cut your interent off if you stay on it too long, hmmmm....junior????
DD
Nowitzki and Dampier (bone spurs and torn rotator cuff) were both injured for the playoffs according to Findog. We were 29-12 and that is with a slow start to the season due to the hangover of last year.
He certainly WAS a great player and can periodically turn it on some time, but the trade for me was more about chemistry, the Mavs had it, and lost it with the trade.
And Kidd is not getting any younger......
Mavsfan1k,
It is a pleasure to see your well reasoned posts, but more importantly to see that you are trying to engage in intelligent dialect, and not resort to the kids and their name calling.
Don't worry, your takes are appreciated, and those kids will one day grow up.....hopefully.
DD
Depends......are you still a salad tossing got?
You must have felt good about that sweep of Miami though.
Yes and D-Whistle felt the best about it. Refs cost us that series.
Actually, the opposite is true.
Denial.....The Nile......Denial.....The Nile......
nope, doesn't work.
See, this is a prime reason why you don't give little 12 year old kids like Mono a computer.....
Keep on trucking kid, you will hit puberty one day...
DD
What are you talking about, the Bulls won that series last year.
And one day you'll write a sig that makes sense.
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