Jimmer Fredette to the Spurs (Update: Mostly Non-Guaranteed Training Camp Deal)

[apalisoc_9]

Green is averaging 6ppg 2 rpg on 30 percent in 20 mpg. He needs to score this year. He needs to rebound this year. He needs to shoot well this year.

Green was good defensively.

Green is a streaky shooter..he will make some and not make some. Just need to learn where to pass the ball and so on.

Not sure what your even asking for him....

[apalisoc_9]

Meh...it's one game.

The amount of games jimmer will be playing in a spurs uniform.

[apalisoc_9]

He's been ok... his shot is just not falling. The only disappointing thing with him is that he doesn't seem to have improved in the handles department.

But I mean, after the household discount he gave us, just being the same ol' Danny Green should work just fine.

Handles is not something you can really improve that much in adulthood.

I cringe everytime people asks him to improve his dribble. He's never going to dribble differerntly.

[ElNono]

Handles is not something you can really improve that much in adulthood.

I cringe everytime people asks him to improve his dribble. He's never going to dribble differerntly.

It can be worked on, tbh.... also, with age, you get wiser about your own limitations... you might not improve leaps and bounds, but you can learn to minimize mistakes.

[hater]

It's sad when the best game of his life is when he didn't play at all

[apalisoc_9]

It can be worked on, tbh.... also, with age, you get wiser about your own limitations... you might not improve leaps and bounds, but you can learn to minimize mistakes.

With Green it's really knowing when to dribble and when not to. He tends to force things at time and tries to play a dribble game that usually results in turnovers...Knowing his limitations just like you said, but thats more about really improving in terms of understanding his own game rather than an improvement in the handles department.

he might improve his dribble when he faking and going for a dribble shoot but it's never going to go beyond that. You're set ball handling is set when you're in your mid 20's...

[ElNono]

With Green it's really knowing when to dribble and when not to. He tends to force things at time and tries to play a dribble game that usually results in turnovers...Knowing his limitations just like you said, but thats more about really improving in terms of understanding his own game rather than an improvement in the handles department.

he might improve his dribble when he faking and going for a dribble shoot but it's never going to go beyond that. You're set ball handling is set when you're in your mid 20's...

Well, that's what I mean... "I can make this pass" vs "I can't make this pass, let's do something else"... "I can dribble through here" vs "It's risky"

it's not really improving his handles, but it's basically hiding it, which works just as well...

[SAGirl]

Well, that's what I mean... "I can make this pass" vs "I can't make this pass, let's do something else"... "I can dribble through here" vs "It's risky"

it's not really improving his handles, but it's basically hiding it, which works just as well...

what do you think about Simms age / handles?

[apalisoc_9]

Well, that's what I mean... "I can make this pass" vs "I can't make this pass, let's do something else"... "I can dribble through here" vs "It's risky"

it's not really improving his handles, but it's basically hiding it, which works just as well...

yeah...I made the cringe comment because there's still people in this board that think he can improve his handles to a point that he can change the way he dribbles when he drives. his dribbling is really the biggest reason why he's bad making layups too....he needs to figure out a way to dribble twice max on drive..but that would probably require large steps and knowing how to float the ball to the basket.

[ElNono]

what do you think about Simms age / handles?

I thought he was horrible penetrating this game... I see what Chinook was saying about that. That said, I thought he created well, including that drive and dish for TD's dunk and the reggie corner 3 at the end...

Neither him or KA are really playing like in the SL, where they could be "the man", and take over for stretches... some of that makes sense, but when the scrubs were all in, I thought they would take over and did not.

[SAGirl]

yeah...I made the cringe comment because there's still people in this board that think he can improve his handles to a point that he can change the way he dribbles when he drives. his dribbling is really the biggest reason why he's bad making layups too....he needs to figure out a way to dribble twice max on drive..but that would probably require large steps and knowing how to float the ball to the basket.

I am not sure if he can improve it, but I have been saying for some time that if is worrisome bc his game depends on him making plays off the dribble and he had trouble with that even in the dleague. I do wish he can improve them bc he really is a nice passer and team guy and he has potential on defense due to his size and athleticism, but I doubt his handles.

[SAGirl]

I thought he was horrible penetrating this game... I see what Chinook was saying about that. That said, I thought he created well, including that drive and dish for TD's dunk and the reggie corner 3 at the end...

Neither him or KA are really playing like in the SL, where they could be "the man", and take over for stretches... some of that makes sense, but when the scrubs were all in, I thought they would take over and did not.

Kyle and Simms had no trouble fitting in next to each other with each having chances to do their thing and set each other up, but they also played nearly 30 games together in the dleague.

Fit with Manu hopefully will develop, but they are also adjusting to the real crazy size and athleticism in the NBA. Kyle specially is young and rookish enough that he's still developing, bc of his as age. Though Simms is more athletic I doubt he can develop more, thus the handles question. He's likely more limited, but NBA is also new to him as well.

[apalisoc_9]

I am not sure if he can improve it, but I have been saying for some time that if is worrisome bc his game depends on him making plays off the dribble and he had trouble with that even in the dleague. I do wish he can improve them bc he really is a nice passer and team guy and he has potential on defense due to his size and athleticism, but I doubt his handles.

he's never going to improve his handles at his age but he can figure out ways to make plays with minimal dribbling ( One or two dribbles)..

There's players out there that dribble twice only attacking the perimeter and rely on the extra 1 to 2 steps to make a play...but that's a tricky since your vulnerable to traveling and unless you're elite at doing that it's probably not a good idea.

Green is fine though. He understands his game to an extent and he's trying to do too much, pop is there. He's already a borderline top 30 impact player in the league and a top 10 SG despite his limitation..it's all fine.

It's a bit concerning now that we have to Rely on Leonard and Aldridge though. Aldridge seems to be a really bad passer out of post ups and Kawhi needs space to operate so in sitauations where both blunder and fail to make a player the ball might swing to him and he'll have to figure out a way to make a simple dribble pass or shot..

[ElNono]

Kyle and Simms had no trouble fitting in next to each other with each having chances to do their thing and set each other up, but they also played nearly 30 games together in the dleague.

Fit with Manu hopefully will develop, but they are also adjusting to the real crazy size and athleticism in the NBA. Kyle specially is young and rookish enough that he's still developing, bc of his as age. Though Simms is more athletic I doubt he can develop more, thus the handles question. He's likely more limited, but NBA is also new to him as well.

I think you can always develop and add to your game, change it, etc. Simms might not fix his handles, but it's really his first taste against pro guys, and we'll see if he at least adjusts, and plays more to his strengths... I thought both of them played subdued basketball (Simms both games, Kyle this game), but it's just a week of practices and two games in. I think Simms and Kyle will see plenty of minutes together at least early in the season. Simms looks to be the 3rd string SG, and if the starters can keep playing like tonight, there will be plenty of blowouts to showcase them. Not to mention the annual Gino injury (knock on wood). So not really worried, and I like that Pop and the coaching staff are mixing both with some of the starters for stretches, that speaks well about their positioning with the team.

[spurraider21]

what a terrible, terrible basketball player

[spurraider21]

Gave the Kings preseason game a rewatch and found that the rhetoric against Jimmer is unjustified. I myself had said it was a terrible game for Jimmer or something to that effect. But the reality is that he played well; except his shot was not dropping very well in the first game.

First stint

* Made a three negated by Kawhi's turnover.
* Nice pick n' pop assist to LMA.
* No defensive lapses. Actually played good defense on Rondo for that matter.
* Good pass diagonal pass to Mills in the corner for a three that he didn't take.
* Great drive and floater that he didn't convert; but LMA cleaned it up b/c his man had to help.
* A good hard cut to the basket that LMA could've hit him on; in any event, it made the defense shift and created options at the three for other rotating players. LMA elected to brick a turnaround shot though.
* He created a mismatch for LMA on a quick transition after a made basket; and when Cousins went to double, he received an open three (which is exactly what the Spurs want).
* A hard close on Beli to not allow him an open three.
* Jimmer's thee presence on a post-up isolation prevented a strong side double. He would make a great back cut on the perimeter to get open for the three; LMA did not hit him and instead took Cousins 1v1 and was fouled.
* West committed a turnover on a collapse play that brilliantly left Jimmer open for three. Instead, West forced it. Come regular season, those plays will be hammered out and Jimmer will get the ball in rhythm and hit the bomb.
* Negative +/- very attributable to LMA playing very poorly within the offensive scheme. (LMA was taken out at the same time as Jimmer when RM came in and had a good +/-)

2nd Stint

* Good drive and floater. At the time I thought it was forced; but on the re-watch, I realize he knew he could easily get that shot on the much smaller David Stockton. He just didn't convert.
* Heads up foul on Anderson after he burned the other Anderson to not allow an easy lay-up.
* Good rotation. Anderson made the pass too high, so Jimmer couldn't get the open three off. A good drive; but then it looked like he was indecisive about shooting a floater or kicking to the corner and it was a turnover.
* Great use of the screen by Boban and then a "great" pass to Boban for a would-be dunk that he dropped. Btw, the reports of eye rolls by ST'ers are bunk. He clapped his hands and was muttering to himself. He directed no ill will to Boban though. For all we know, he wished he put the ball a little higher so that the ball couldn't be swatted from the big man's hands.
* Passed up on a good three from the side from KA. Pass was a bit low; but it was Stockton coming late. He should've taken it. But it was early in the shot clock; and those are the kind of 'mess-ups' a coach can live with.
* Missed a corner three. Rushed it, imo. A pump fake for the oncoming Stockton and a step to the side and shot would've been better, imo. But the shot he took was not bad per say.
* Played better defense against Stockton than Ray did, tbh.

And as an aside for all the Rasual Butler nut huggers; Kings players took it to the hole on him for scores on multiple occasions.

Can you analyze his stints against Miami? Thanks

[RayTdropout]

This is just sad now

[Darius Bieber]

I really don't get the big fuss. I want him and Butler to do well. When one of them makes the team, they're 15th out of 15 anyways... Not really guys who will lose or win games for the Spurs. If Jimmer makes the team, I'll support him and hope he gets to show off potential.

[.G.]

The neverending thread...

[pookenstein]

I really don't get the big fuss. I want him and Butler to do well. When one of them makes the team, they're 15th out of 15 anyways... Not really guys who will lose or win games for the Spurs. If Jimmer makes the team, I'll support him and hope he gets to show off potential.

No!
No, no, no, no, NO!!!! You can't just come here and support every player on the Spurs roster. You have to hate at least one of them. Get your together, dude!

[Maddog]

I really don't get the big fuss. I want him and Butler to do well. When one of them makes the team, they're 15th out of 15 anyways... Not really guys who will lose or win games for the Spurs. If Jimmer makes the team, I'll support him and hope he gets to show off potential.

Let's make this a 100 pages.

Jimmer is very polarizing. You could spend an hour or two reading through this thread and probably find some of the reasons, or not.
On some level I think it's part of our obsession with college sports. Great college player, whose game may not translate well into the pro game. To me it's not too surprising. Over the last decade the level of the NBA and College has become more and more disparate.
In some ways I hope he makes the team. If he does this means the staff feel his strengths outweigh some rather obvious deficits. Looking at things so far he looks like a long shot as he hasn't impressed and doesn't clearly fit a need a la Butler.

[Gladney to see you]

If he plays tonight, good luck guarding Dennis Schröder.

[DrSteffo]

To me it's about having a cool name and being white. He will have a good life and thousands of fans regardless of his limitations as a basketball player. That white rapper comes to mind...forgot his name already. I'm white btw.

[ceperez]

Jimmer is in a tight bind right now. He could be a very good 3 point shooter, however there are already two other undersized guards that are pretty good 3 point shooters. Mills absolutely and McCallum who seems to be showing that he can shoot.

Both these two are liabilities in defense, you can say the same about Jimmer.

So my confidence that Jimmer sticks is pretty low right now.

[TheDoctor]

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