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The issue with Beal isn't his ability, his shooting splits are still the same, it's just that his usage has dropped.
The issue is his health. He's always injured. NTC is also an issue because we wouldn't be able to move him at all.
Per Vecenie: Beal is unmovable, regardless of the No Trade Clause. No one wants him and that contract.
I'm not connected like Sam Vecenie is, but that seems to pass the smell test.
The issue with Beal isn't his ability, his shooting splits are still the same, it's just that his usage has dropped.
The issue is his health. He's always injured. NTC is also an issue because we wouldn't be able to move him at all.
what it means is that spurs fans are limited in what we know. we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes, we don't even know who the coach is going to be next season much less who would have limited roles or become backups. so we can't approve or negate potential trades based on this sort of limited knowledge. real GMs and front offices surely think differently, no matter what we try to speculate in here about how they operate. brian wright isn't clueless to the lack of depth we have with our bigs.
Thirty-two first round picks is what it would take to do it.
This shouldn't matter.
PATFO always talk about pounding the rock, the next man up etc.
Roster building philosophy should be in place and then the next coach should be hired based on it.
Over the past year they've shown they have certain preferences, versatile defenders who can play multiple positions (we'll disregard that they completely failed at it for the most part), you don't build a team like that only to hire D'Antoni when it's time for a coaching change.
I’m not sure how I can be pretty down for a similar trade for Lavine and not even consider this. Swap the FRP and sub DV for Keldon and maybe.
A pod i was listening to was suggesting Spurs as a Beal home, but that his no-trade clause would mean they'd need to cough it an asset.
Trade machine says Tre, Keldon, and Zach also works btw
He controls his own destiny and I suspect we are at the bottom of his list. He just needs to sit back and collect those cheques and if he stays healthy can sign a few vet min deals with contenders in his mid 30’s. He’s the new Westbrook.
It would give us a playoff push for sure. Right now we are destined to get crushed in the play-in but I’m not quite this desperate for a 5 game playoff series just yet.
For sure - Im not against it for those same reasons you listed if it were to happen, but just more saying that its pointless overall and I really hope SA can get more creative than that and shift gears into improving the team.
I would much rather SA use a lot of 2nds to dump Collins for example than to do a trade like Nurk. Im fine burning some capital if it means it helps SA (either on court or cap wise to reallocate funds more effectively)
If it were something like Barnes + Collins + Branham + Blake then it’s not that much different money next year to Beal than it is to those 4 guys. Definitely helps the team now especially if you dont have to give up picks to get it done.
The trade off is that year 3 for Beal where all those other guys are off the books. But for rest of this season and next season, money is close enough to where it’s just one extra year for Beal.
If you needed that cap space in that year, could you find a way to dump Beal as an expiring? Might be tough but that’s the bet/cost analysis you’re making here.
Not sure Beal would waive his NTC to come to SA or that Suns would be ok getting rid of him for that package, but if Im SA it’s something to think about if that were possible. Suns may very well like Barnes better than Beal at this point due to role etc…and if they can dump Nurk they may be ok with Collins as a back up since it gets them out of Beals deal and breaks everything up into more manageable deals to move if needed.
Sure but he collects the checks whether hes on SA or PHX right? Would he like a starting role with no other high usage guards on the roster and a chance to play next to Wemby vs sitting on bench and being scapegoat?
nothing wrong with consistency and it was the pillar for SA during the 20 year run. but it was more fluid than that. the 2013-14 roster was one that was built very differently from the early 2000s ones. the catalyst for change then was a league that bent towards the offense and away from the defense. the catalyst this time around may be Wemby. (but my point was really more about how we only know a fraction about what the machinations driving the FO are.)This shouldn't matter.
PATFO always talk about pounding the rock, the next man up etc.
Roster building philosophy should be in place and then the next coach should be hired based on it.
Over the past year they've shown they have certain preferences, versatile defenders who can play multiple positions (we'll disregard that they completely failed at it for the most part
Something like:
MIA Receives: Collins + Barnes + Branham + Wesley + PHX 26 1st unprotected + 2 2nds from SA
PHX Receives: Jimmy Butler
SA Receives: Beal
Does MIA value keeping books pretty clean here with none of the players having deals that go beyond next season and broken down into 4 different sized expiring deals that they may be able to easily move if they need cap space? Do they value Barnes as a player to keep as well? Plus getting an unprotected first + 2 2nds for a guy that can just walk for nothing?
We know PHX does the deal. They get to rid themselves of Beal and add their guy in Jimmy who wants to be there and it just cost them a first.
Does SA do this when it costs them only 2 2nds but they have to take on that third year of Beal which could prove to be critical in terms of building team next two years? Theres no doubt that Beal likely makes them better this season and next for about the same money as the 4 outgoing guys, but is that worth the risk of the third year if you think you can use that cap space? Could they move Beal that third year as an expiring to negate that risk even if it costs them a first to do so?
Then I'd counter with:
SAS: Beal + 32 FRP
PHX: Keldon+ Collins + Malaki + Tre
Kudos to the current(?) WAS regime for somehow dumping Beale, a total non-starter as a contract and player. I mean, the franchise was stupid enough to give him a no-trade, but that was before.
PHX pulling Durant was probably a good move. Dumping Ayton was probably necessary in terms of contracts and he's kind of ty for Portland now anyway. Just a dumb, lazy, en led player.
Where PHX went horrifically wrong was flipping Chris Paul for Beale.
I can't believe you people are seriously considering a trade for Beal as anything worth a second of thought.
Fully agree... that would be the most worse case scenario ever to have him on the Spurs and of course to possibly get injured right after or continue his no defense, choke job of a career w/Wemby. Reminds me a little of when Jefferson arrived back in the day.
It's not just his injury history, it's his ungodly salary. And he's not worth even remotely that.
crofl this board is great. You get the widest range of opinions. If the board was one person with all of these thoughts, they'd be committed as a schizophrenic.
Don't want to use any real assets for or have to pay Fox a 30% max... Excited to trade for Bradley ing Beal and his 35% max.
Nobody is 'seriously' considering a Beal trade... some of us are either bored or exhausted from the inactivity of the front office. Faux Beal trades are just fans saying, "we're desperate"... nothing more..
I'll just chalk this up to people's memories of who Bradley Beal used to be. Unfortunately, he ain't that guy anymore. He's always kind of been a Temu Dame Lillard, but like with everything from Temu, Beal doesn't hold up over time like the real thing.
Fair point!
I'm frustrated too, but I've also come to accept that we are highly unlikely to do **anything**, and that the team is content with finishing 11th or 12th in the west with 35-40 wins. While I personally think this is a huge missed opportunity, I get paid exactly $0 for my opinion on basketball, so go figure.
So all of my trade discussions henceforth are all merely cosplay GM'ing
Exactly
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