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    No.

    You're lying.

    You said Mueller was trying to get Gates and Manafort to serve up the Clintons.
    I think Mueller is getting Gates and Manafort to get to Tony Podesta who's a much bigger fish than either of them. Podesta would be the one to serve up the Clintons.

    If Tony Podesta did nothing wrong why did he shut down the Podesta Group on the same day charges were brought on Manafort?

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    I think Mueller is getting Gates and Manafort to get to Tony Podesta who's a much bigger fish than either of them. Podesta would be the one to serve up the Clintons.

    If Tony Podesta did nothing wrong why did he shut down the Podesta Group on the same day charges were brought on Manafort?
    Wow. lol

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    Yeah, including Rohrabacher's name in the indictment seems noteworthy to me, but I could be wrong.
    Rohrabacher is a huge, famous fan of Pootin and Russia, which could mean the Pootin has turned him into an asset.

    I bet Rohrabacher doesn't want Mueller snooping around in his finances and tax returns.

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    I think Mueller is getting Gates and Manafort to get to Tony Podesta who's a much bigger fish than either of them. Podesta would be the one to serve up the Clintons.

    If Tony Podesta did nothing wrong why did he shut down the Podesta Group on the same day charges were brought on Manafort?
    At this point, since you're all in. Why not Huma Abedin? She would know more than John Podesta and it's not even close.

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    I think Mueller is getting Gates and Manafort to get to Tony Podesta who's a much bigger fish than either of them. Podesta would be the one to serve up the Clintons.
    As long as you're admitting you lied.

    As for Tony Podesta -- I have no idea why they would need the Gates and Manafort flipping to get the people working under them. That's the exact reverse of how these things usually go. I'm sure you have a theory that explains how taking down the heads of a firm leads to taking down a subcontractor and relevant examples.

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    As long as you're admitting you lied.

    As for Tony Podesta -- I have no idea why they would need the Gates and Manafort flipping to get the people working under them. That's the exact reverse of how these things usually go. I'm sure you have a theory that explains how taking down the heads of a firm leads to taking down a subcontractor and relevant examples.
    If you want to continue the discussion stop editing out questions without responding.

    If Tony Podesta did nothing wrong why did he shut down the Podesta Group on the same day charges were brought on Manafort?

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    If you want to continue the discussion stop editing out questions without responding.

    If Tony Podesta did nothing wrong why did he shut down the Podesta Group on the same day charges were brought on Manafort?
    Don't know. Dude's 74. Could've been the best decision to retire and keep the business going.

    But thanks for admitting you lied.

    As for Tony Podesta -- I have no idea why they would need the Gates and Manafort flipping to get the people working under them. That's the exact reverse of how these things usually go. I'm sure you have a theory that explains how taking down the heads of a firm leads to taking down a subcontractor and relevant examples.

    So let's see your theory and relevant examples.

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    Don't know. Dude's 74. Could've been the best decision to retire and keep the business going.
    You are being disingenuous, our conversation is over.

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    Yeah, including Rohrabacher's name in the indictment seems noteworthy to me, but I could be wrong.
    Rohrbacher has been Russia's bought and paid for congresspet for a while.

    The payments from Manafort to Rohrbacher... that is the interesting thread here. Manafort could very well be one of the conduits that have been feeding Rorhrbachers piggybank to shill for Russia.

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    lock her up

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    that stupid **** lynch!

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    tom fitton is busy busy

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    that stupid **** lynch!
    She's a smug too.

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    You are being disingenuous, our conversation is over.
    It's a distinct possibility. Dude is 74 and the business kept going.

    Tell me what crimes you are accusing Podesta of.

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    What does any of this have to do with implicating Trump?
    There are two types of people in this world: those who know how to convert PDFs into Word do ents and those who are indicted for money laundering. Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort is the second kind of person.

    Back in October, a grand jury indictment charged Manafort and his business associate Rick Gates with a variety of crimes, including conspiring “to defraud the United States.” On Thursday, special counsel Robert Mueller filed a new indictment against the pair, substantially expanding the charges. As one former federal prosecutor told the Washington Post, Manafort and Gates’ methods appear to have been “extensive and bold and greedy with a capital ‘G,’ but … not all that sophisticated.”

    One new detail from the indictment, however, points to just how unsophisticated Manafort seems to have been. Here’s the relevant passage from the indictment. I’ve bolded the most important bits:

    Manafort and Gates made numerous false and fraudulent representations to secure the loans. For example, Manafort provided the bank with doctored [profit and loss statements] for [Davis Manafort Inc.] for both 2015 and 2016, overstating its income by millions of dollars. The doctored 2015 DMI P&L submitted to Lender D was the same false statement previously submitted to Lender C, which overstated DMI’s income by more than $4 million. The doctored 2016 DMI P&L was inflated by Manafort by more than $3.5 million. To create the false 2016 P&L, on or about October 21, 2016, Manafort emailed Gates a .pdf version of the real 2016 DMI P&L, which showed a loss of more than $600,000. Gates converted that .pdf into a “Word” do ent so that it could be edited, which Gates sent back to Manafort. Manafort altered that “Word” do ent by adding more than $3.5 million in income. He then sent this falsified P&L to Gates and asked that the “Word” do ent be converted back to a .pdf, which Gates did and returned to Manafort. Manafort then sent the falsified 2016 DMI P&L .pdf to Lender D.

    So here’s the essence of what went wrong for Manafort and Gates, according to Mueller’s investigation: Manafort allegedly wanted to falsify his company’s income, but he couldn’t figure out how to edit the PDF. He therefore had Gates turn it into a Microsoft Word do ent for him, which led the two to bounce the do ents back-and-forth over email. As attorney and blogger Susan Simpson notes on Twitter, Manafort’s inability to complete a basic task on his own seems to have effectively “created an incriminating paper trail.”

    https://slate.com/technology/2018/02...do ents.html




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    HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

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    There are two types of people in this world: those who know how to convert PDFs into Word do ents and those who are indicted for money laundering. Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort is the second kind of person.

    Back in October, a grand jury indictment charged Manafort and his business associate Rick Gates with a variety of crimes, including conspiring “to defraud the United States.” On Thursday, special counsel Robert Mueller filed a new indictment against the pair, substantially expanding the charges. As one former federal prosecutor told the Washington Post, Manafort and Gates’ methods appear to have been “extensive and bold and greedy with a capital ‘G,’ but … not all that sophisticated.”

    One new detail from the indictment, however, points to just how unsophisticated Manafort seems to have been. Here’s the relevant passage from the indictment. I’ve bolded the most important bits:

    Manafort and Gates made numerous false and fraudulent representations to secure the loans. For example, Manafort provided the bank with doctored [profit and loss statements] for [Davis Manafort Inc.] for both 2015 and 2016, overstating its income by millions of dollars. The doctored 2015 DMI P&L submitted to Lender D was the same false statement previously submitted to Lender C, which overstated DMI’s income by more than $4 million. The doctored 2016 DMI P&L was inflated by Manafort by more than $3.5 million. To create the false 2016 P&L, on or about October 21, 2016, Manafort emailed Gates a .pdf version of the real 2016 DMI P&L, which showed a loss of more than $600,000. Gates converted that .pdf into a “Word” do ent so that it could be edited, which Gates sent back to Manafort. Manafort altered that “Word” do ent by adding more than $3.5 million in income. He then sent this falsified P&L to Gates and asked that the “Word” do ent be converted back to a .pdf, which Gates did and returned to Manafort. Manafort then sent the falsified 2016 DMI P&L .pdf to Lender D.

    So here’s the essence of what went wrong for Manafort and Gates, according to Mueller’s investigation: Manafort allegedly wanted to falsify his company’s income, but he couldn’t figure out how to edit the PDF. He therefore had Gates turn it into a Microsoft Word do ent for him, which led the two to bounce the do ents back-and-forth over email. As attorney and blogger Susan Simpson notes on Twitter, Manafort’s inability to complete a basic task on his own seems to have effectively “created an incriminating paper trail.”

    https://slate.com/technology/2018/02...do ents.html




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    HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
    Yeah, I'd be surprised if TSA would even concede Manafort and Gates were bad hires.

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    Manafort charged with obstructing the Mueller probe.

    Yes people, these are new charges.

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    Yeah, I'd be surprised if TSA would even concede Manafort and Gates were bad hires.



    Yeah...

    If there was some collusion, don't expect loyalty from those having done it.

    one of he best arguments against any conspiracy theory is that SOMEONE will blab.

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    Mueller is really going the long way to catch the Clintons.

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    Mana ed?

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