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    Any takers??
    He passes the eye test, but man, his advanced stats just suck across the board. In six seasons, in the categories of OBPM, DBPM, AND BPM, he’s only had one positive year, and that was like positive 0.1 for OBPM, out off 18 possible squares with values, over 6 seasons. His highest PER is less than 11. He grades out as less than a replacement level player.

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    how cucked is this team that we're basically bottom feeding off of flunkies? remember when we were at least thought of as being able to make moves at the trade deadline..

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    I get why the Spurs kept Patty. Guys like Forbes are learning a lot from him.

    Now Gasol, I've got zero idea because centers aren't usually good mentors.

    Give Derozan the benefit of the doubt. It's just his first year. He's going to still get better next year. Look at Aldridge. He's playing better than ever.

    Spurs are a small market team and the best that they can do is buy players on the cheap and develop them further.

    The real problem of the Spurs is that their basketball organization knowledge has spread throughout the league. Warriors (Kerr, Brown), Jazz (Snyder), Bucks (Bud), Nets (Marks), OKC (Presti), 76ers (Brent Brown), Hornets (Borrego).
    I admit that I get Patty. I am on record saying he was the new team leader over a year ago. And I am actually okay with that. I wish he weren't so streaky, but if he weren't he'd be elsewhere making a lot more money. I am on record as liking Forbes. And I think he will improve some. DeRozan, even though a first year Spur, is simply an expensive redundancy. Even if he improves next season, he is still going to be a mid-range player who needs the ball. We have a younger, better guy who handles the ball better, sets up others (especially LMA) as well, if not better, and who can shoot the 3. We need a three-point shooting SG to pair with White. Perhaps Dijon can develop (has developed?) a 3-ball, but DeMar is not apt to.

    I understand the small market team constraint. That makes it seem even more important to move DeMar. LMA is playing better than ever with White in the line-up, btw. Coincidence? I think not.

    Pop's tree is, indeed, impressive. And I am happy to see them enjoy success. But they have taken what they learned from Pop and grown past their mentor. Time to bring one of them home, tbh.

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    how cucked is this team that we're basically bottom feeding off of flunkies? remember when we were at least thought of as being able to make moves at the trade deadline..
    Beggars can't be choosers.

    Spurs are a small market team that thrives by scraping at the bottom of the barrel.

    If teams are ditching 22 year olds because they've never learned to play organized basketball, then PATFO should at least kick the tires and see who can learn how to play.

    Where do you think the Spurs found a player like Forbes? Or Mills? Or White? Or Bertans?

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    This has become probably the most stale organization in the league. Even the Knicks and Kings are getting out of the dark ages.

    The majority of things they used to abide by should have been thrown out the window. Until they start realizing that they're now just another team (basically, a rich man's Hornets or Pistons) and need to play by the rules that most do, they're not going anywhere.

    Things like character, chemistry, continuity, culture, leadership, "system", etc., people don't cares about these things. They'll give lip service to it, but look who's hot at the moment: Celtics, Rockets, Raptors, etc., teams that are cut throat, never satisfied and treat the players like meat.
    How many championships did these cut throat teams have the last 10 years?

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    I think you discount Derozan's potential.
    Regardless of his potential, he is post-prime and expensive. We would have a very good backcourt without him, and his money would be better spent on a starting SF.

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    Beggars can't be choosers.

    Spurs are a small market team that thrives by scraping at the bottom of the barrel.

    If teams are ditching 22 year olds because they've never learned to play organized basketball, then PATFO should at least kick the tires and see who can learn how to play.
    Nobody wanna trade with the Spurs, if a player is not wanted by Spurs that player normally failed to be successful in any other team.

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    That's the kind of mindset that has kept us from winning it all in 5 years and one of the main reasons why we've never repeated.
    It's common sense. Don't overpay just for the sake of doing something.

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    It's common sense. Don't overpay just for the sake of doing something.
    Naw man if we traded for Otto porter we definitely would have beat the Warriors by 30+ tbh

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    In a results oriented business, the usual suspects got done what they wanted to and the Spurs once again failed.

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    - More great work by the Clippers and surprisingly good work by the Pelicans.
    Maybe so.

    But all in all, I'll take 5 les over zero (Clippers) plus zero (Pelicans and their previous names).

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    Vince killing the raptors

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    Vince killing the raptors
    Taurean Prince killing the Raptors.19 points,5/6 from 3,lockdown defense on fat Lowry.(Hawks up 8 at half,were up by 17)

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    Either no one wants to deal with FO or players just hate ty San Antonio... how the are all these other teams getting decent players for nothing! We coulda used Corey Brewer for example. Maybe everyone is not board with Pops political bull ?

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    Either no one wants to deal with FO or players just hate ty San Antonio... how the are all these other teams getting decent players for nothing! We coulda used Corey Brewer for example. Maybe everyone is not board with Pops political bull ?
    that and also Pop does not want 80% of the players that are playing in the NBA cause they not over themselves and care about individual stats

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    The Gasol trade makes no sense. Naturally, it's being overhyped because everything Raptors is now and he's a former star, but most would be criticized for taking on a declining, outdated big, reverting to more two big lineups, decimating perimeter depth and further altering once strong chemistry.

    - Mirotic isn't the name Harris or Gasol are, but he was the best pickup. Lopez probably can't play significant minutes deep in the playoffs, but he can. Media is too busy slurping Raptors to notice them though.
    Nah. Most media said Bucks won this day. Lopez-Mirotic 3-p shooting is gonna be crucial to Bucks success in playoffs.

    Marc has been one of my fav players for years but he was really bad last 2 seasons. Masai would have preferred to get Conley but it's likely no one team wanted Lowry.

    In long-term this trade makes no sense. JV is younger and can bring almost everything this old version of Marc does. But this is a win-now move. At some point, what Marc gives in term of leadership will be important. He could be a security blanket for Raptors when Lowry starts to choke hard...

    I guess Raptors' FO expects Kawhi Marc and Danny can hide Lowry-Ibaka choke-gene...We'll see.

    Yep. "StayStrongDemps" "SayNoToLakers" worked. The best thing of these crazy tradeline.




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    looking forward to seeing the raptors play at full strength. they got something they needed, a big man who can provide more reliability than serge/jonas.

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    people were buzzing about philly but are butler and joel excited about getting less touches?

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    PATFO didn’t trade for nothing cause they knew this squad as constructed can even win a playoff game

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    I was hoping the team could snag Stanley Johnson for cheap. The guy is still young and a solid defender. He does have a broken shot but he is young enough to fix that and be a cheap option for the future

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    I was hoping the team could snag Stanley Johnson for cheap. The guy is still young and a solid defender. He does have a broken shot but he is young enough to fix that and be a cheap option for the future
    The last I heard was he ended up with the Pelicans. He's an expiring contract, so Spurs can just wait and snag him cheap in the off-season. But if they get him now, they can start work on refurbishing him before signing him up next year. These washed up lottery picks are in fact, a dime a dozen!

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    At this point there is no need to take anyone when the guys that you pay the most(LMA, DD) are playing like trash especially on defense but some would say all around. I love Pop but he needs to retire and let this team do things the right way, the Hinkie way, tanking like crazy for a few seasons.

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    At this point there is no need to take anyone when the guys that you pay the most(LMA, DD) are playing like trash especially on defense but some would say all around. I love Pop but he needs to retire and let this team do things the right way, the Hinkie way, tanking like crazy for a few seasons.
    The Spurs aren't in a big market like the 76ers.

    If you want that strategy to work, then perhaps the Spurs should move their arena to Seattle.

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    The Spurs aren't in a big market like the 76ers.

    If you want that strategy to work, then perhaps the Spurs should move their arena to Seattle.
    Well, in order to get Timmy you had to tank. There is no other way imo, free agents are not coming here. Unless you want to stay mediocre for ever like Portland for example. If they can't handle two seasons of tanking then maybe they should move.

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    Well, in order to get Timmy you had to tank. There is no other way imo, free agents are not coming here. Unless you want to stay mediocre for ever like Portland for example. If they can't handle two seasons of tanking then maybe they should move.
    Philadelphia tanked for FIVE ing years, and still has no LoB (or even Finals appearance) to show for it. Draft picks, even high ones, are a crap shoot. You may tank, just to find yourself back in mediocrity, and probably should have stayed in playoff mode anyway.

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    Philadelphia tanked for FIVE ing years, and still has no LoB (or even Finals appearance) to show for it. Draft picks, even high ones, are a crap shoot. You may tank, just to find yourself back in mediocrity, and probably should have stayed in playoff mode anyway.
    Can you stop with the whole “it doesn’t matter where you draft, it’s who is doing the drafting” take? It’s re ed, like dumber than dirt.

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