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    Jesus, I like Franz Wagner but that is a lot of money for a well rounded glue guy.

    And just when you think Sacramento might be turning things around, they make the most Kings-like move imaginable. A team that needs defense and shooting adds DeRozan... yikes.

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    this whole DeRozan to Sacramento deal could get expanded into a Brook Lopez to the Spurs trade. Would work salary wise and the Bucks could add Huerter or Barnes, although they'd still need a back up center.

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    What's $50M as a % of projected cap in 2030? Genuinely curious how these deals will look in five years.

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    What's $50M as a % of projected cap in 2030? Genuinely curious how these deals will look in five years.


    Those are the projections.

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    Wagner has fast become one of the most overrated players in the league (like the Timberwolves, they primarily won on defense and depth) and the Magic have had an overrated off season, largely ignoring their shot creation/play making/shooting issues.

    this whole DeRozan to Sacramento deal could get expanded into a Brook Lopez to the Spurs trade. Would work salary wise and the Bucks could add Huerter or Barnes, although they'd still need a back up center.
    Backup? More like starter. Lopez is their only true C and no, Antetokounmpo can't credibly play it full time.

    When Lopez missed most of '21-'22, their defense full off a cliff without him.

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    Those are the projections.
    The cap is going to triple in a bit over 10 years?

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    Wagner has fast become one of the most overrated players in the league (like the Timberwolves, they primarily won on defense and depth) and the Magic have had an overrated off season, largely ignoring their shot creation/play making/shooting issues.
    I don't understand their KCP deal.
    I watched the entire series against the Cavs and playmaking was their biggest issue.
    No good ballhandlers or guards who can break down defenses.

    Suggs is a great defender, but definitely not a point guard.
    Where's KCP going to play?

    Suggs-KCP-Banchero-Wagner-WCJ is just tragic offensively.

    They also have Cole Anthony, Anthony Black and Gary Harris as defensive guards who can't shoot for .
    Extending Harris and adding KCP is an interesting choice.

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    The cap is going to triple in a bit over 10 years?
    https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/salary_cap

    It went up by 230% over the past decade.
    It's projected to go up by 260% over the next decade.

    New TV deal kicks in 25-26 and is massive.
    We just have to look at contracts as cap percentages, not the ridiculous salary inflation.

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    Got it, so somewhere between 20-25% of the projected cap with the ability to go over for your own guys like they will with Banchero. Not sure any of their other players will be worth close to that in extension terms.

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    https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/salary_cap

    It went up by 230% over the past decade.
    It's projected to go up by 260% over the next decade.

    New TV deal kicks in 25-26 and is massive.
    We just have to look at contracts as cap percentages, not the ridiculous salary inflation.
    We're going to see a lot of barely passable players get huge contracts who would have barely played twenty years ago.

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    I don't understand their KCP deal.
    I watched the entire series against the Cavs and playmaking was their biggest issue.
    No good ballhandlers or guards who can break down defenses.

    Suggs is a great defender, but definitely not a point guard.
    Where's KCP going to play?

    Suggs-KCP-Banchero-Wagner-WCJ is just tragic offensively.

    They also have Cole Anthony, Anthony Black and Gary Harris as defensive guards who can't shoot for .
    Extending Harris and adding KCP is an interesting choice.
    They should have pursued Simons or at least Russell instead of Caldwell-Pope. Not only do they need their skillset offensively, but they have the defensive infrastructure to insulate them defensively.

    Harris can shoot, but yeah he's superfluous with Caldwell-Pope.

    I wonder if Carter Jr. gets traded (Pelicans?) because even in this environment, you don't pay a player (Bitadze) 3/$25M to be a fringe rotation player at best.

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    Wagner has fast become one of the most overrated players in the league (like the Timberwolves, they primarily won on defense and depth) and the Magic have had an overrated off season, largely ignoring their shot creation/play making/shooting issues.



    Backup? More like starter. Lopez is their only true C and no, Antetokounmpo can't credibly play it full time.

    When Lopez missed most of '21-'22, their defense full off a cliff without him.
    yeah my bad I meant starter, their back up C is Portis who's a PF

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    Since the Hawks now own LAL25, you could see a path toward something like:

    Lakers: filler (because who cares? it's not going to happen), LAL29, LAL31, swap rights to LAL26, LAL28 and LAL30 for Young

    Spurs give: ATL25, ATL 27 and let the swap rights for ATL26 extinguish for LAL 25, NOP27/MKE27 (worse), LAL 29 and LAL 31

    Hawks Give: Young, LAL25 and NOP27/MKE27 (worse) for filler, ATL25, ATL27, swap rights to LAL26, LAL28 and LAL30

    The Lakers get Young
    The Spurs swap out the Hawks' near future for the Lakers' distant future
    The Hawks get their future back and still net some value from the Lakers.

    The Spurs doing this would depend on how much they value having extra picks in distant years. I'm not one of those people who believes the Hawks picks need to be kept at all costs, so getting four firsts in exchange for two firsts and a swap is enough to make me consider it. LAL's future isn't great, so having so many of their picks would be interesting. But the lack of control over LAL26-LAL28 or LAL30 is a bit of a wet blanket. The 2027 pick doesn't project to be great, but guaranteed firsts always have uses in mega trades.
    Fits well the Spurs perceived interest in punting picks and letting them compound. Imagine how many 2071 picks we'll eventually end up with!

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    We're going to see a lot of barely passable players get huge contracts who would have barely played twenty years ago.
    The average NBA player is much more skilled now than he was 20 years ago. So I do not get the last part of your argument. Yeah players now earn more than 20 years ago.

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    Those are the projections.
    this is actually great news tbh. Wemby's extension is due in 2027. With the cap rising his deal will look like a bargain down the line. Spurs should really frontload as much salary as possible for long term pieces.

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    They should have pursued Simons or at least Russell instead of Caldwell-Pope. Not only do they need their skillset offensively, but they have the defensive infrastructure to insulate them defensively.

    Harris can shoot, but yeah he's superfluous with Caldwell-Pope.

    I wonder if Carter Jr. gets traded (Pelicans?) because even in this environment, you don't pay a player (Bitadze) 3/$25M to be a fringe rotation player at best.
    Simons hasn't won a single game in his life and Russell kills teams as much as he doesn't - namely the one he's one. KCP is a known playoff performer.

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    That's Brian Wright's music!!!!

    More SRPs here we come!

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    The average NBA player is much more skilled now than he was 20 years ago. So I do not get the last part of your argument. Yeah players now earn more than 20 years ago.
    Absolutely not true, but you see this repeated by people all the time, hilariously enough.

    Today's NBA only plays one kind of style and looks for only one type of player, who can shoot. Often times, a player doesn't even have to be able to dribble with both hands, or do anything other than spam their basic moves, which defensive rules allow them to get away with. A key example is Boston, where Brown and Tatum are incredibly reduced in what they can do, and when things go bad, they're helpless. Can barely use both hands with the ball.

    This is where a guy like Derrick White helped so much, as he's a multi-talented utility guy, like the ones we used to see.

    Most of the players in the NBA would be helpless in standard rule sets of the past. They wouldn't be able to run different styles of play whatsoever.

    I mean, this is the key complaint about AAU basketball now, and a reason why there's so much worry -- American players nowadays are extremely poor basketball players, except for this one single style. And it doesn't take a lot to play that style, you just have to be superior at one or two skills and that's it. Most players of the past would destroy current players if there was a sane set of rules (no stepbacks/travels, defense is allowed, etc.).

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    The cap is going to triple in a bit over 10 years?
    That's how 10% compounded raises work, it's not linear. 1.1^10 = 2.6 which is the difference in the 2034-35 cap vs the 2024-25 cap which is the last one before the TV deal goes into effect.

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    havent heard much about Caleb Martin. appears he is seeking a 15M per season contract. would anyone be opposed to signing him? he would be a solid vet and depth at F and could easily be flipped to a team at the deadline

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    havent heard much about Caleb Martin. appears he is seeking a 15M per season contract. would anyone be opposed to signing him? he would be a solid vet and depth at F and could easily be flipped to a team at the deadline
    Seems like Caleb Martin might be opposed, based on his past Instagrams about San Antonio

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    That's how 10% compounded raises work, it's not linear. 1.1^10 = 2.6 which is the difference in the 2034-35 cap vs the 2024-25 cap which is the last one before the TV deal goes into effect.
    Guess so. Didn't realize how much it all was. No wonder all these good players of the past are pissed that the average dork in the league today is making such piles when they couldn't even play in yesteryear.

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    Seems like Caleb Martin might be opposed, based on his past Instagrams about San Antonio
    can't blame him tbh, but he'll go wherever the money is imo

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    i know some people here have oddly claimed that Stein has no credibility anymore but iirc he was first on Spurs-Paul stuff this offseason

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