2025 NBA Offseason Thread

[exstatic]

Still surprised the spurs let Mamu walk if they didn’t have a plan for an upgrade lol

I don’t really think you need a plan to replace a player who barely played through two lottery seasons.

[Ice009]

Why does Jonas not want to play for the Nuggets. Is that text photo fake? Who is BBR? Does he really not want to play with Jokic?

It sucks that the Clippers got that trade for Collins. Another team the Spurs have to contend with . Miami got a great deal, though, IMO.

Does Kevin Love have anything left in the tank? Could he be brought out?

[TD 21]

The Clippers finally have a legit PF, but now skew big, (even) older and slow.

For the price, Powell is a no brainer for the Heat, but this probably indicates Beal to the Bucks, who desperately need him.

Love will probably sign with a contender or retire, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs express interest in him or maybe Lyles.

[Mr. Body]

This is such a re ed take. These are athletes making tens-of-millions of dollars, surrounded by sophisticated advisers and lawyers. They're free to contract as they please. This isn't some 40k/year guy being locked into a job.

Yes, defend cartel behavior, lol. Even free market capitalists would say this is stupid and unbalanced.

[Degoat]

I don’t really think you need a plan to replace a player who barely played through two lottery seasons.

When PF and shooting is a weakness on your team, you usually don’t let one of the few guys who can actually do that go.

[Mr. Body]

I see you’ve never heard of a contract.

The agreement doesn’t say players can’t flow between Europe and the NBA. It happens all of the time. It just says that FIBA will not sign you while you are currently under contract with the NBA, and vice versa.

Lol yes, you idiot, I understand what is being discussed. I'm saying it is abusive to labor and should not be permitted.

It's like if you worked at a hospital but decided to move to another state and work there and they wouldn't let you.

Or it's like the old Hollywood studio system where stars are under contract and weren't permitted to make movies outside their studio unless they were leased out.

All you geniuses probably think it would be insane if Scarlett Johansson could only make Disney movies for the next ten years.

[Trueblood]

Lol yes, you idiot, I understand what is being discussed. I'm saying it is abusive to labor and should not be permitted.

It's like if you worked at a hospital but decided to move to another state and work there and they wouldn't let you.

Or it's like the old Hollywood studio system where stars are under contract and weren't permitted to make movies outside their studio unless they were leased out.

All you geniuses probably think it would be insane if Scarlett Johansson could only make Disney movies for the next ten years.

But this is something we also see in the government. People who enlist (present company included) understand that when they sign the contract they’re obligated to fulfill it with the US government. They’re not allowed to take leave and go serve in another military for a month. Their freedom began and ended at the signing of the contract.

It’s no different here. They’re free to play wherever they want and if they don’t like the terms, they’re free not to sign. But you don’t get to say “I want to work for your organization and make millions of dollars” but then simultaneously say “but I want to do it on my terms”. You negotiate those terms when you sign the contract and if you don’t like it, don’t sign. It really is that simple.

And if you REALLY don’t like it, start your own free market league where players can all play where and when they want.

[Teamduncan21]

Lol yes, you idiot, I understand what is being discussed. I'm saying it is abusive to labor and should not be permitted.

It's like if you worked at a hospital but decided to move to another state and work there and they wouldn't let you.

Or it's like the old Hollywood studio system where stars are under contract and weren't permitted to make movies outside their studio unless they were leased out.

All you geniuses probably think it would be insane if Scarlett Johansson could only make Disney movies for the next ten years.

If she agrees to it yes, else she shouldn't sign the contract that ties her up for 10 years and negotiate.

[Mr. Body]

I see you’ve never heard of a contract.

The agreement doesn’t say players can’t flow between Europe and the NBA. It happens all of the time. It just says that FIBA will not sign you while you are currently under contract with the NBA, and vice versa.

[Mr. Body]

If she agrees to it yes, else she shouldn't sign the contract that ties her up for 10 years and negotiate.

But... that's not how it works. They broke the studio system like seventy years ago.

If a player wants to play in the NBA he has to play for the team that has his rights. Fine.

That player did not sign a contract with FIBA. That's not fine.

[RC_Drunkford]

It's a difficult situation because the move is between two basketball worlds that operate under different rules, but you can't expect Nuggets to lose value because player doesn't want to be there, but is actually valuable if we're talking basketball ability.
The only redeeming factor for them is that they didn't give up anything useful for Valanciunas, but hypothetically if they gave up a FRP, that wouldn't have been fair towards them.
This more isn't that relevant for the NBA, but it would set a dangerous precedent.

A lot of European players have buyout clauses when they get drafted and their teams get compensated by NBA teams that draft them.
Obviously a couple of million wouldn't mean anything to the Nuggets.
It's one of those strange situations without a good answer, but that will determine how things are done in the future.

Someone mentioned blood money states, Dubai just joined Euroleague. Who's to say they won't start throwing big money at solid NBA starters within a few years?
Players who would never get more than 10 to 15 million a year in the NBA, but can get 30 to 40 from oil states. What happens then?
We don't have any of those right now, but for the sake of discussion let's pretend it's 2014 and Dubai offers Danny Green 30 million a year. What then, Spurs just let him go and lose a lot of value for nothing?

As I said, there's no good answer because it's an uncharted territory and however this Valanciunas situation plays out, it will set a precedent for future deals.

someone mentioned the United States?

[vy65]

Yes, defend cartel behavior, lol. Even free market capitalists would say this is stupid and unbalanced.

Even the FTC's ban carves out people making more than $150k. Nothing is more "free market capitalist" than the freedom to contract. You very obviously have 0 ing clue about what you're talking about.

[vy65]

Lol yes, you idiot, I understand what is being discussed. I'm saying it is abusive to labor and should not be permitted.

It's like if you worked at a hospital but decided to move to another state and work there and they wouldn't let you.

Or it's like the old Hollywood studio system where stars are under contract and weren't permitted to make movies outside their studio unless they were leased out.

All you geniuses probably think it would be insane if Scarlett Johansson could only make Disney movies for the next ten years.

So employment contracts are meaningless? Lol "abusive to" athletes making tens of millions of dollars.

[RC_Drunkford]

that 1 second round pick was too much for Brian Wright to give up. Imagine how much cash he can make with it next year

[Mnky]

Man that's a great get for Miami. Norman powell was becoming something out there. Might be the most impactful move out there.

Collins with harden and kawhi is interesting. It was pretty much on the wall that no one was paying for that contract. He's also mentioned he wants a long term extension. Sure that's what's hindered teams commiting as well.

Jazz were too greedy with a couple possible fringe star players. Good to see ol boy finally see a real trade market for once.

[BatManu20]

its a nice move for clippers for sure.While we still aint doing .

"We like what we have."

[exstatic]

When PF and shooting is a weakness on your team, you usually don’t let one of the few guys who can actually do that go.

We need to weed the players who can’t play defense. He’s one of them, and his contract expired. Malaki expires next year, and I want him gone then, too. Keldon the year after. No need to expend assets to offload them, but certainly let them roll off.

[poopbox]

Collins with a real big and surrounded by shooting is going to absolutely destroy us

Jeremy will be in some highlights against the clippers for all the wrong reasons

[Dverde]

Clippers adding CP3 and Beal next?

[Dverde]

that 1 second round pick was too much for Brian Wright to give up. Imagine how much cash he can make with it next year

It must hurt. Spurs do not want him. They could have easily traded for him twice now. I hope this brings you closure.

[SpursFan86]

Opinions on Collins aside…are the Spurs really about to go into next season with their options at PF being Sochan/Barnes/Bryant? Surely they have some other move planned…right?

Even if you’re confident in Sochan, Barnes is another year older and there’s a good likelihood Bryant isn’t ready for real minutes at the 4 with his current size.

[Dejounte]

It must hurt. Spurs do not want him. They could have easily traded for him twice now. I hope this brings you closure.

Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

RC will make it to accepting the Spurs don’t want a big with stiff hips someday

I know I’m at acceptance now after the disappointment of not drafting Sorber

the Spurs are not building this team with twin towers in mind. People have to start accepting it.

[spurraider21]

Man that's a great get for Miami. Norman powell was becoming something out there. Might be the most impactful move out there.

Collins with harden and kawhi is interesting. It was pretty much on the wall that no one was paying for that contract. He's also mentioned he wants a long term extension. Sure that's what's hindered teams commiting as well.

Jazz were too greedy with a couple possible fringe star players. Good to see ol boy finally see a real trade market for once.

everybody did well here except the Jazz. if the clippers are able to replace powell with beal as reported they will have done well for themselves. and miami turning slowmo and love into Powell is great for them. honestly just lol jazz

[scott]

The anti-poaching agreement would only be between the NBA owners and players union. If a player ever breaks an NBA contract to go somewhere else, he can't ever play in the NBA again. The players might not like that, but it's something the owners would absolutely lock the players out to achieve if it was ever a threat.

I'm looking at similar to the Ronaldo situation in Saudi Arabia... if a Saudi prince is willing to give Steph (for example) a package worth $1B to play in Saudi for a couple of years at the end of his career... he probably doesn't care if he gets locked out of the NBA. Maybe he gets blacklisted and never elected to the HOF as a result and maybe that would discourage him?

Just spitballin'

[baseline bum]

Why does Jonas not want to play for the Nuggets. Is that text photo fake? Who is BBR? Does he really not want to play with Jokic?

Maybe he values freedom over money?