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    i know some people here have oddly claimed that Stein has no credibility anymore but iirc he was first on Spurs-Paul stuff this offseason
    I mean I called Chris Paul to the Spurs weeks ago. It wasn't a head scratcher.

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    i know some people here have oddly claimed that Stein has no credibility anymore but iirc he was first on Spurs-Paul stuff this offseason
    And someone from the Bleacher Report broke the signing, I think.

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    The Ingram speculation could be one of a few things:

    1) Real interest by San Antonio
    2) A way to regain some leverage in talks for other acquisitions (Lauri, for example). It's in the Spurs (and every other interested team, for that matter) to have other options. Ainge/Zanik feast on the desperation of counterparties.
    3) Nothing more than pure speculation by putting obvious puzzle pieces together, because certainly the Spurs must do something, right? [Narrator: The Spurs were the only ones who knew, they were content doing nothing]

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    I mean I called Chris Paul to the Spurs weeks ago. It wasn't a head scratcher.
    making a prediction of what is likely to happen vs reporting on what is actually happening are 2 different things

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    Everything seems to have been put on hold, idk if it’s expected trades or teams afraid of the apron, but I think it’s wild that Tyus Jones, Malik Beasley, Gary Trent Jr, Issac Okoro, Miles Bridges, and Demar just to name a few have no contract yet.

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    ingram is interesting. he's a somewhat neutral defender who has length to be bothersome on that end if he applied himself.

    offensively he was at his best imo when he just got to the pelicans and Lonzo/Jrue were setting him up with more C&S opportunities from 3. he's gotten way worse from 3 as he's become more of an on-ball player. might be a situation where he has to get into his midrange comfort zone when he's pulling up off the dribble. his volume from 3 has gone down as well

    on the other hand, he's going into the last year of his deal and probably wants a massive contract as he will be 27 at the end of next season. if you plan to give him a huge 4-5 year deal, you'd better be damn sure he is part of your championship puzzle

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    Man, I’ve heard of the small market tax but Orlando must really be a hole. I remember 20 years ago players supposedly vying to play there….

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    ingram is interesting. he's a somewhat neutral defender who has length to be bothersome on that end if he applied himself.

    offensively he was at his best imo when he just got to the pelicans and Lonzo/Jrue were setting him up with more C&S opportunities from 3. he's gotten way worse from 3 as he's become more of an on-ball player. might be a situation where he has to get into his midrange comfort zone when he's pulling up off the dribble. his volume from 3 has gone down as well
    The problem is that he's not worth it in his current state and is on an expiring deal.
    He's supposed to be an all-star, but he's always either injured, or doesn't show enough effort or just dissapears like he did against OKC.

    If we don't get anyone relevant, I'd give him a chance only if it was Collins, Graham and a handful of SRPs.
    I'm not giving up even Keldon for him.

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    The problem is that he's not worth it in his current state and is on an expiring deal.
    He's supposed to be an all-star, but he's always either injured, or doesn't show enough effort or just dissapears like he did against OKC.

    If we don't get anyone relevant, I'd give him a chance only if it was Collins, Graham and a handful of SRPs.
    I'm not giving up even Keldon for him.
    BI on a one year rental for that cost (which comes with the benefit of getting off a year of Collins) seems certainly worth it just from a 2025 cap perspective alone. I think adding BI makes us a play-in team, which I like better than being a 35-win team. Wemby, Devin and Castle need to play together in meaningful games.

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    I assume Spurs are doing their due dilligence to see who would sign a frontloaded contract. Long term contracts with declining salaries are key to building a contender with the new cap rules.

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    Do assuming Primo didn't do the whole flashing thing, what do folks think his extension would be this summer? I feel like $100M/4 would've been possible. He and Wemby would be the (co-equal) faces of the franchise, after all. You can't risk him going elsewhere and turning into a superstar

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    Do assuming Primo didn't do the whole flashing thing, what do folks think his extension would be this summer? I feel like $100M/4 would've been possible. He and Wemby would be the (co-equal) faces of the franchise, after all. You can't risk him going elsewhere and turning into a superstar
    Since we have no data to project Primo being an actual useful player, I think a more fun exercise is projecting what Sochan's extension will be next off-season.

    Right now, I'd say that $60MM/4 sounds about right (and this bakes in some growth. I'm looking to Obi Toppin's deal as a guide, but Obi is currently a better all around player), but I'm curious what some of the folks who are high on him think.

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    BI on a one year rental for that cost (which comes with the benefit of getting off a year of Collins) seems certainly worth it just from a 2025 cap perspective alone. I think adding BI makes us a play-in team, which I like better than being a 35-win team. Wemby, Devin and Castle need to play together in meaningful games.
    It doesn't work like that. When it comes to superstars and stars, real and pseudo (like Ingram) ones alike, if you're trading for them and they're on an expiring contract or seeking to be extended/re-signed period, you're doing so with the knowledge of that, what it'll take financially and the likelihood of them doing so with you (he can't exactly afford to be choosy).

    Otherwise, you'll get a disgruntled player and agent(s).

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    I hope we can get Barnes if that three team deal happens, I'd give up a couple of seconds for him.
    We'd still have room for Markkanen.
    They need a 3d team to accept salary. You don’t pay them, they pay you.

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    Since we have no data to project Primo being an actual useful player, I think a more fun exercise is projecting what Sochan's extension will be next off-season.

    Right now, I'd say that $60MM/4 sounds about right (and this bakes in some growth. I'm looking to Obi Toppin's deal as a guide, but Obi is currently a better all around player), but I'm curious what some of the folks who are high on him think.
    That's less than the MLE will be next year ($63.4M/4). He shouldn't sign that. If he finishes the year as a starter, he's getting $100M/5 would be the bare minimum I'd even look at $116M/5 as a pretty cheap deal. The last year of his deal will be about 10 percent of the cap -- and that's assuming he starts at $20 Million with max raises. Agents know the cap is exploding just like we do, and they aren't going to lock their clients into uber-cheap long term deals if they have any clout at all.

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    He can't even shoot!

    Good player, but everyone gets a max these days.
    Franz absolutely is a great shooter, and always has been at every level. He just had an off year. Can happen to anyone.

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    Now that's a genuine rental situation that I wouldn't want the Spurs to give up much for. Nice player but not the kind of guy you know absolutely you're going to want to throw a max deal at like you would Markannen so could very well lose him. Keldon and a couple of seconds is probably the max I'd pay for him and not even sure I'd offer that much.

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    Ingram is even a worse idea than Markkannen

    Give me a Lauri trade over an Ingram one any day

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    That's less than the MLE will be next year ($63.4M/4). He shouldn't sign that. If he finishes the year as a starter, he's getting $100M/5 would be the bare minimum I'd even look at $116M/5 as a pretty cheap deal. The last year of his deal will be about 10 percent of the cap -- and that's assuming he starts at $20 Million with max raises. Agents know the cap is exploding just like we do, and they aren't going to lock their clients into uber-cheap long term deals if they have any clout at all.
    Spurs should frontload that deal as well. 24, 22, 20, 18, 16 something like that. Would make him a bargain down the line.

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    Franz absolutely is a great shooter, and always has been at every level. He just had an off year. Can happen to anyone.
    I wouldn't call 35% great, but he was solid enough.
    Such massive drop this season is concerning, especially considering how off his shot looked in the playoffs.

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    That's less than the MLE will be next year ($63.4M/4). He shouldn't sign that. If he finishes the year as a starter, he's getting $100M/5 would be the bare minimum I'd even look at $116M/5 as a pretty cheap deal. The last year of his deal will be about 10 percent of the cap -- and that's assuming he starts at $20 Million with max raises. Agents know the cap is exploding just like we do, and they aren't going to lock their clients into uber-cheap long term deals if they have any clout at all.
    Still think it's way too early to project the kind of money Sochan will command. His defensive potential is high enough that it wouldn't shock me if he worked his way up to getting max offers, but he is so inconsistent on both ends of the floor that I could see him being nothing more than a 7th or 8th man on a playoff roster too.

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    Franz absolutely is a great shooter, and always has been at every level. He just had an off year. Can happen to anyone.
    in college he shot 31% and 34% from 3

    in the pros he has shot 35%, 36%, and 28%

    "great shooter" isnt how id describe any of that

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    havent heard much about Caleb Martin. appears he is seeking a 15M per season contract. would anyone be opposed to signing him? he would be a solid vet and depth at F and could easily be flipped to a team at the deadline
    He’s apparently down on the city. Posted an insta photo out his hotel window, and gave it a thumbs down.

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    It doesn't work like that. When it comes to superstars and stars, real and pseudo (like Ingram) ones alike, if you're trading for them and they're on an expiring contract or seeking to be extended/re-signed period, you're doing so with the knowledge of that, what it'll take financially and the likelihood of them doing so with you (he can't exactly afford to be choosy).

    Otherwise, you'll get a disgruntled player and agent(s).
    Easy answer: then I'm not trading for him.

    Just my opinion, but seems like BI needs this season to rehab his value going into FA. I don't think a lot of teams will line up to offer him the max as is.

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    That's less than the MLE will be next year ($63.4M/4). He shouldn't sign that. If he finishes the year as a starter, he's getting $100M/5 would be the bare minimum I'd even look at $116M/5 as a pretty cheap deal. The last year of his deal will be about 10 percent of the cap -- and that's assuming he starts at $20 Million with max raises. Agents know the cap is exploding just like we do, and they aren't going to lock their clients into uber-cheap long term deals if they have any clout at all.
    I don't get a vote, but I'm letting Sochan walk for that.

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