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    what Israel has been doing for months is outrage porn for the domestic audience. that's an observation, not a quest, unless your eyes and your heart are closed to it imho.
    I said 'quest for genocide.' Perhaps you should open your eyes to what as written and argue the real.

    As for the definition of genocide, any definition means the intent is to eliminate the life of every member of said groups.

    Why do you think I have been fixating on intent?

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    (About one-third so far, according to reported estimates, iirc.The incipient famine and disease could put that number in the shade, if Israel doesn't relent soon. Dedicated minimizers will probably categorize those as "natural deaths.")
    And the quest, Holiday in Cambodia, continues.

    It surely must be this outrage!

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    One percent of a population getting killed in 2-3 months is no joke.Especially when so many of them are children.
    Sure because you insist on looking at it only as 1% and not the actual scalar value of 20k. 20k in a month would be fabulous for the Russian losses in Ukraine at the rate they are going. Both are actual war zones as opposed to you fantasy comparisons.

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    What is the scalar value of 20k dead civilians in Gaza?

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    What is the scalar value of 20k dead civilians in Gaza?

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    Netanyahu floated something similar a few days ago.

    How would this not be straight up ethnic cleansing?


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    Netanyahu floated something similar a few days ago.

    How would this not be straight up ethnic cleansing?

    Let me know when the Arabs and Israelis start this up.

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    Let me know when the Arabs and Israelis start this up.
    CNN will have the con.

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    Let me know when the Arabs and Israelis start this up.
    goes to intent, regardless

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    goes to intent, regardless
    of the IDF and actual commanders ordering airstrikes? hardly.

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    of the IDF and actual commanders ordering airstrikes? hardly.
    strategic intent -- forcing Gazans out of Gaza

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    strategic intent -- forcing Gazans out of Gaza
    Fortunately, Fuzzy will allow you to call it ethnic cleansing. Big news.

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    Fortunately, Fuzzy will allow you to call it ethnic cleansing. Big news.
    a week ago it was just "my conspiracy theory"

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    strategic intent -- forcing Gazans out of Gaza
    That would be stealing their land and I get why they are extremely reluctant to leave. At the same time that is unsupported nonsense.

    Even if they had wanted to do that the Arabs are having none of it.

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    a week ago it was just "my conspiracy theory"
    I have not argued ethnic cleansing. Shall we look at the actions of the Serbian Army and contrast that with what is happening in Gaza. Youre still massively short systemic mass roundups and executions.

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    pointing to worse genocides/ethnic cleansings and saying this one doesn't measure up because it's of a smaller scale is more polemical than objective, imho

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    pointing to worse genocides/ethnic cleansings and saying this one doesn't measure up because it's of a smaller scale is more polemical than objective, imho
    No. I am pointing to the historical examples of genocide and ethnic cleansing. We can include the trail of tears, Genghis Khan, west african slave trade or whoever else you like. It still is the same.

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    What I do consider ethnic cleansing is Putin's policy of reeducating school children and mass deportation in occupied zones.

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    No. I am pointing to the historical examples of genocide and ethnic cleansing. We can include the trail of tears, Genghis Khan, west african slave trade or whoever else you like. It still is the same.
    this is a threadbare denial.

    seems that from your point of view, ethnic cleansing and genocide can never be called out until they're accomplished, studied and academically verified facts.

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    this is a threadbare denial.

    seems that from your point of view, ethnic cleansing and genocide can never be called out until they're accomplished, studied and academically verified facts.
    Thhreadbare? You have ZERO historical comparisons.

    No I am saying that when you start looking at the defining characteristics of historical examples Gaza is missing the missing roundups, deportations, and executions. It illustrates the party's intents.

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    Thhreadbare? You have ZERO historical comparisons.

    No I am saying that when you start looking at the defining characteristics of historical examples Gaza is missing the missing roundups, deportations, and executions. It illustrates the party's intents.
    all that's lacking is the deportations, imo. reports of executions and roundups are already out there. verified or not, they deserve to be taken seriously.

    if you look at the legal definitions though, they're not as strict as you suggest.

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    all that's lacking is the deportations, imo. reports of executions and roundups are already out there. verified or not, they deserve to be taken seriously.
    Sure but that is a far cry from genocide or ethnic cleansing.

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    Sure but that is a far cry from genocide or ethnic cleansing.
    ymmv, I think we're probably on the brink right now.

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    ymmv, I think we're probably on the brink right now.
    Brink of what? IDF starting roundups, deportations, and mass execution?

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    I have not argued ethnic cleansing. Shall we look at the actions of the Serbian Army and contrast that with what is happening in Gaza.
    We shall not.

    No need to let you change the subject.

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