2025 NBA Offseason Thread

[ace3g]

Brett Siegel BrettSiegelNBA
The Kings are using their Huerter $16.8M exception to take on Schroder’s contract.

Detroit creates about a $14.8M TPE that can be utilized over the next year at the cost of a second-round pick.

Kings will keep their MLE intact.
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Brett Siegel BrettSiegelNBA
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Are you all finally ready for the confirmation?

Dennis Schroder is heading to the Kings by way of a sign-and-trade, multiple league sources have confirmed to ClutchPoints.

[scott]

The 5th year player option on rookie supermax extensions is probably poised to be the next deal sweetener. Allows these really high end rookies to get to a 35% Supermax a year earlier. I'd expect Wemby to do something similar, tbh. Kind of surprised Ant didn't get this in his.

All eyes on OKC for the JDub and Chet extensions now. I still think Chet signs for less than 25%. OKC probably going to start lighting candles next season and hope JDub doesn't make All NBA

[RC_Drunkford]

it would have taken more than a single SRP for Collins. it took 1 second rounder as the Jazz only took on smaller expiring deals. if we sent keldon we'd have to have sent more capital to account for them owing him 17.5 mil in 26-27

I know, but it was 1 SRP. We got 4 in 2026. I'm good with trading 3.

This trade is kind of wild from a value perspective, maybe someone can help me understand.

On one hand... no one wanted Collins and he's only worth the zombie joke factory of Kevin Love, Kyle Anderson and a SRP...

On the other hand... he's also worth Norman Powell.

Therefor... Normal Powell is also only worth Love, Anderson and an SRP?

Basically, I would have thought Powell would be worth more on the open market and certainly worth more to LAC. He was quite good last year, but he is 32, so I guess that's the age discount coming into play. Seems like his style of play would indicate that he has plenty of quality years left, but maybe not?

felt the same tbh. Powell was a borderline All-Star last season. One would think the Heat should've sent some type of pick compensation out in that deal.

[spurraider21]

I know, but it was 1 SRP. We got 4 in 2026. I'm good with trading 3.

yeah i'd been on record saying i'd comfortably send 3 SRP

[RC_Drunkford]

Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

RC will make it to accepting the Spurs don’t want a big with stiff hips someday

I know I’m at acceptance now after the disappointment of not drafting Sorber

the Spurs are not building this team with twin towers in mind. People have to start accepting it.

Collins is not a big. He's a 6'8'' PF. They obviously wanted Yabusele, who's not more mobile than Collins either.

[scott]

yeah i'd been on record saying i'd comfortably send 3 SRP

I don't even care about Jollins, but I would have sent out 4, or even more. They're clearly of zero value to us. Send out as many needed to get good players in return. I could say "well, we need to save some to acquire other players too", but I'll start believing we can walk when we at least take our first step.

The last time we used an SRP to acquire a player (outside of acquiring a player being salary dumped by another team) was the McBuckets S&T in 2021.

Before that, we sent an SRP to SAC for Ray McCallum in 2015.

Those are the last two times we've used an SRP (or multiple) to acquire a player.

Shocking, honestly.

[scott]

And for those interested, Spotrac has a great tool for looking through the history of transactions, by team, by type, with customizable date filters, etc.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/transact...as/type/traded

[Dejounte]

Collins is not a big. He's a 6'8'' PF. They obviously wanted Yabusele, who's not more mobile than Collins either.

a player’s position is dictated by how they defend. Take this video of Collins and see that he’s a big who hovers around the paint. He’s a big through and through - an undersized one. The Spurs are continually passing on these types of players and it’s because they don’t want this archetype.

[RC_Drunkford]

a player’s position is dictated by how they defend. Take this video of Collins and see that he’s a big who hovers around the paint. He’s a big through and through - an undersized one. The Spurs are continually passing on these types of players and it’s because they don’t want this archetype.

I know how he defends. Now watch Yabusele tape and tell me he defends any different.

[RC_Drunkford]

by the way since Kornet's contract is frontloaded, the Spurs still have 3.1 million in MLE money available, as well as the BAE for 5.1 million.

[mystargtr34]

I like the deal for both Miami and the Clippers. Miami improved significantly by adding an efficient 20 point scorer in Powell which they needed (21st in ORTG last season and 9th in DRTG) and the Clippers improved let’s say a little more than marginally but not enough to say significantly.

Collins and Powell are about equal as players in a vacuum (as spurraider said) but the Clippers badly needed a starting 4 for a couple years now to move Kawhi and DJJ down to the 3, they literally only had Batum on the roster who was an NBA level 4. Kawhi can play there but his old broken ass shouldn’t be banging with the Aaron Gordon’s of the world. Clips have a glut of 2/3s so moving Norm for an equivalent player at a position of much higher need is smart. Especially since they can possibly get a Beal as a replacement for cheap. Even if they don’t I still like the deal for the Clips. This also helps the Clippers match up a bit better with Denver and Gordon who always seems to kill them (19 a game on 50% last series), Collins isn’t an all defense guy but he’s a solid 6’9 240 and can keep Gordon off the boards somewhat and let Kawhi DJJ guard the MPJs and Cam Johnson’s of the world.

This move solidifies Miami as a top 6 seed in the East and they can hopefully push Atlanta down closer to the play in. It’s not too far fetched to see Atlanta in 7th or 8th with Cleveland, New York, Orlando, Miami, Philly, Detroit, Milwaukee all having a chance to be better than the Hawks. I know Atlanta looks good on paper but Porzingis is always injured and it will only take Trae missing 10-20 games for them to fall a bit.

Spurs will need to upgrade their starting 4 spot from Barnes eventually if they want to be a serious team that wants to win a playoff series.

[Mnky]

I know how he defends. Now watch Yabusele tape and tell me he defends any different.

Yabuselle would have cost about a 1/5th of Collins contract.

[Ice009]

by the way since Kornet's contract is frontloaded, the Spurs still have 3.1 million in MLE money available, as well as the BAE for 5.1 million.

With the BAE, can you just keep deferring it indefinitely to the following season if you don't use it? I doubt the Spurs will use it now as I don't see any players worth giving it to. Unless there is a buyout during the season of a player they like? I assume you can't trade players into it?

[tonight...you]

With the BAE, can you just keep deferring it indefinitely to the following season if you don't use it? I doubt the Spurs will use it now as I don't see any players worth giving it to. Unless there is a buyout during the season of a player they like? I assume you can't trade players into it?

I think it has to do with if you're at the Luxury Tax/Apron 1/Apron 2.
If this was morning I would have the gumption to look it up for you.

[rankingtear]

I don't even care about Jollins, but I would have sent out 4, or even more. They're clearly of zero value to us. Send out as many needed to get good players in return. I could say "well, we need to save some to acquire other players too", but I'll start believing we can walk when we at least take our first step.

The last time we used an SRP to acquire a player (outside of acquiring a player being salary dumped by another team) was the McBuckets S&T in 2021.

Before that, we sent an SRP to SAC for Ray McCallum in 2015.

Those are the last two times we've used an SRP (or multiple) to acquire a player.

Shocking, honestly.

The fox trade?

[scott]

The fox trade?

We did not acquire De'Aaron Fox for SRPs, my friend

Edit: I see what you're saying and my original post should have clarified more. Those were the last times we acquired a player using SRPs not in combination with FRPs. So I'm talking about trades where the SRP was the primary means of compensation (outside of matching salary).

[Ice009]

I think it has to do with if you're at the Luxury Tax/Apron 1/Apron 2.
If this was morning I would have the gumption to look it up for you.

No, all good, thanks. Don't want you spending time looking it up. Was only asking in case anyone knew offhand already.

[spursistan]

Same thing will happen with Lauri and his plummeting trade value.. Ainge's Jazz rebuild is basically down to: Dybansta or bust. Three years on and Utah are in a much worse position compared to when they were before bailing on the Mitc /Gobert team..

[Ice009]

I wonder what Jazz fans think about these trades and if they're pissed off with the past two or so years of losing and nothing to really show for it draft pick wise (maybe Ace can turn that around).

[R. DeMurre]

It's funny how Austin Ainge could come out of the gate with a lot of bravado, saying the Jazz would not be tanking, and now they're tanking harder than ever. The justification will be a fuzzy argument around about how the team will be playing hard, and not trying to lose, as if putting a terrible team on the floor on purpose isn't actually tanking.

[RC_Drunkford]

Yabuselle would have cost about a 1/5th of Collins contract.

tell me something I don't know

[mudyez]

I'm still praying for Horford. Perfect fit...but probably will rather retire than play for the 5mio we can offer.

[Seventyniner]

It's funny how Austin Ainge could come out of the gate with a lot of bravado, saying the Jazz would not be tanking, and now they're tanking harder than ever. The justification will be a fuzzy argument around about how the team will be playing hard, and not trying to lose, as if putting a terrible team on the floor on purpose isn't actually tanking.

The Process Sixers 2: Electric Boogaloo.

That's how Utah is trying to get back at Silver. "If you're gonna fine us for sitting our best players, fine we will just get rid of all of them and not have any good players at all"

[poopbox]

The 5th year player option on rookie supermax extensions is probably poised to be the next deal sweetener. Allows these really high end rookies to get to a 35% Supermax a year earlier. I'd expect Wemby to do something similar, tbh. Kind of surprised Ant didn't get this in his.

All eyes on OKC for the JDub and Chet extensions now. I still think Chet signs for less than 25%. OKC probably going to start lighting candles next season and hope JDub doesn't make All NBA

He made 3rd team all nba this year so I think JDub has already qualified for the rookie supermax extension.

Would be wild if Chet made all nba this upcoming season and now they have SGA, JDub, and Chet on supermax contracts

Sort of a death sentence contract tbh. Every player in the history of the nba who became super max eligible either signed it or got traded, no in between.

[TimDunkem]

"Spurs consistently pass on these players (undersized bigs). They do not want this archetype."

*Sochan was drafted by SA, and is still on the team*

Typical re ed takes from the forum's resident re .