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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...sct=nba_t11_a0
Really good article recommended by Varner.
I lean more towards the owners in the dispute, but seriously, both sides.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...sct=nba_t11_a0
Really good article recommended by Varner.
I lean more towards the owners in the dispute, but seriously, both sides.
Thanks for the heads up.
Thanks for posting.
Seems to be saying that owners will come to regret offering such a ty deal and the players will come to regret not taking it.
Seems like the players relying on winning an an rust lawsuit have less standing than the NFL players cause so many or going to play in Europe for a whole lot less. Really odd thinking.
I believe the players tried to negotiate in good faith. They made concessions. But you can't trap a rat in a corner without a way to escape. Forcing the players' hand was a bad move and it shouldn't be surprising that it backfired on Stern and the owners. In fact, Stern and the owners' at ude toward the players seems naive, as if they're dealing with dumb, ignorant people who have to be told what they need to do. The players may not be well educated but they understand money.
It's going to be hard to take the NBA seriously for a while. Stern has been on a bad run: from trying to coerce Seattle to build a free arena for the owners to this. He should know his legacy will not be decided by what the owners think of him. He went in partnership with a lousy group of owners and this is what he gets.
Some good news:
#spurs Matt Bonner, VP of (former) @nbpa, says he will consider overseas options
http://twitter.com/#!/Monroe_SA
The owners real issues were with themselves and they never faced facts and looked themselves in the mirror. That's on them.
I still think the talk of Stern keeping a contingent of militant owners at bay could easily have been all part of their sales job - everyone in the media cites this as a truth because they kept hearing rumors, but because the owners weren't ever talking it's hard to know. Maybe a lot of the owners are happy to lose a season - if that's the case then the NBA was already screwed anyway.
You have to take most of what the media has said with a grain of salt as they are more aligned with the players. Going against the players could easily leave certain media on the outside looking in when play resumes.
The deal-breakers were "system issues". Those are things that would allow small market teams to be compe ive, rather than allowing a few teams to dominate by unlimited spending. Stern insists that allowing all teams to be compe ive is best for the health of the league. The bas .
All over the country, more people blame the players than the owners. Except here. Buncha people got spoiled watching Tim Duncan carry a budget-payroll team. Well there's not likely to be another Tim coming our way. If the players get what they want, you can all get used to watching your team play .500 ball and make first-round exits. But, hey, you can keep up the perennial ing about how the team never signs any big-name free agents. That's the one thing that won't change.
I think it's been pretty well covered on both sides. As a matter of fact, I would say the owners/league had much more media coverage, considering they own a full fledged TV channel and a high traffic website.
But the union always knew they were not going to win the PR battle.
Frankly, I'm not even sure Stern could sell that last proposal to his hardline owners. In a way, I think he expected that deal not to go through.
I respectfully disagree with the article. It was well intentioned from a fan standpoint, but as I consider myself a pretty die-hard fan, I am completely with the players on this.
Yes it sucks as a fan, but I empathize with the players and fully back what they are doing. My only complaint was that they shuffled their feet (allowed Hunter to stall), but even then I feel they did that from a good place (belief they could make the owners truly negotiate) so it's hard to feel too upset at the players for that IMO.
No offense, but is this a joke? If anything, the PR machine has clearly been in favor of the owners.
Did you think that since Stern flat out said it?
The one thing that is hurting the players is they are not even making an effort to try to address the owners concerns about compe ive balance. Basically they've given the at ude that they don't care about compe ive balance or cited the example of Spurs and OKC to say that it's possible to be a small market and be compe ive. Or that dumb general managers (gm) are the problem.
If they want to keep their system they ought to promote alternative suggestions like maybe a school for gm's. The NBA requires players to stay a year in school why shouldn't gm's go to school? It would improve the product if more gm's knew what they were doing.
As long as we're on the subject...Who in the are they to require a person to stay in school? They have a sweetheart deal with colleges in this country. The kids rake in the dough for the colleges and the NBA then gets the fruits of their labors at the same time for not one single dime. What a crock of absolute . How that stands the test of jurisprudence is beyond me. The in' nerve.
Rose colored glasses.
Seriously?
The players were willing to make plenty of concessions on system issues, but they weren't willing to concede every point the owners demanded.
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[[[Congratulations to the players! Glad they have some courage and were not intimidated by ultimatums. It is not about money, Its about controlling your own future, it is a power dynamic and I am glad these players recognize that. 50 million dollar Slave a good book and good points. In these times we should support anyone who seeks to keep their labor earning no matter what economic class their in, Basketball is only secondary and a game. Go Players/People/Individuals!]]]
If the players do not win their an rust lawsuit they will have really opened pandora's box. Most analysts feel their suit has less merit that the NFLs. A 47% imaginary line by owners and a hard cap for next year is coming. The next confusing question may be what will happen to the NBA draft?
I hate to admit it, but, it's the bitter truth.
But, tonite? Tonite "we" won.
They players said they would concede points if they could keep the same system and that they want more points if they give system concessions. I was saying instead of just taking the owners system concessions to improve compe ive balance they should introduce some of their own that don't restrict player movement but address the problem.
People who own businesses are people too. They put up the money, take the risk, deal with all the lawsuits, pay the taxes, and take the heat for their employees actions. This is not $20/hr or even $50/hr jobs. These employees are paid, pampered, and spoiled. The owners have a right to expect a profit and a duty to their minority owners and fans to take control of their business to ensure its lifelong viability.
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